Re: Ted Burton, Mike Walton and Mike Bowman posts
Bruce E. Cobern (bec@NYC.PIPELINE.COM)
Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:23:09 GMT
On Aug 26, 1996 09:05:15, '"J. Hugh Sullivan" <sull@MINDSPRING.COM>' wrote:
>However, it appears to me that the discussion has become one of
>interpretation. Once we get to that point there is no end to discussion.
>There are degrees of "retest" just as there are degrees of "to make sure".
>suspect my first post indicated that I was 100% retest; it should have
>that I endorse enough "retest" "to make sure". Several posts have
>alternative ways of asking questions which are really "retests" phrased in
>progressive vice regressive manner. I endorse both the phraseology and
>direction since it accomplishes the purpose while avoiding the
I agree that much of what we have been discussing has had somewhat to do
with semantics. However, it also has to do with what the SCOUT thinks is
going to happen at the Board and on what his "success" will depend. If the
questions are phrased in such a way as to be "progressive" as you call it,
then the Scout will not feel threatened by them, will not get defensive,
and will most likely not have a problem. My feeling is that this is the
way you have actually been "retesting" all along. You can tell an awful
lot by asking questions "about" a skill without actually having to ask for
a demonstration of it unless the situation turns in that direction.
(Somehow this reminds me, for those who were there, of the discussion on
Arrow-L about Brotherhood "testing" wherein many of us contended that what
you call a process does, in fact, have an effect on the effectiveness and
nature of that process. Thus a Brotherhood "discussion" gets you a lot
further than a Brotherhood "test" even though you might actually have
exactly the same words passing back and forth.)
>We have an Eagle Board tonight. I suspect the candidate will pass because,
>as usual, I know the troops, the SMs and a lot about the young men before
>they appear. Chairing the District Eagle Board is not the most valuable
>in Scouting but it is the best.
I'm sure he will, and I'm sure you will once again enjoy what I agree is
the best job in Scouting.
Bruce E. Cobern
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City