Ted Burton, Mike Walton and Mike Bowman posts
J. Hugh Sullivan (sull@MINDSPRING.COM)
Mon, 26 Aug 1996 09:05:15 -0500
Ted Burton wrote:
>By making sure that advancement records match the claim of the Scout while
>exploring with him his maturity in dealing with the obligations of being a
That is an excellent phrase, Ted, but it avoids the issue. You have turned
the "make sure......for the rank' part into checking the records - which the
Council office does. I don't completely agree with your interpretation but I
agree with your right to interpret it that way if you wish.
Settumanque made some excellent points, and I do not disagree, but some are
based on trusting the SM. SInce 1938 I have only met 1 SM that I didn't
trust and that was in 1944 in Greenville MS - I even remember his name.
However, I have found a number of SMs who, for one reason or another, don't
have sufficient experience to validate a Scout's candidacy, particularly for
the rank of Eagle. SMs change often and the quality of each troop usually
cycles. Districts having all quality SMs and quality troops are rarer than a
day in June.
I also do not disagree with what Mike Bowman said.
However, it appears to me that the discussion has become one of
interpretation. Once we get to that point there is no end to discussion.
There are degrees of "retest" just as there are degrees of "to make sure". I
suspect my first post indicated that I was 100% retest; it should have said
that I endorse enough "retest" "to make sure". Several posts have suggested
alternative ways of asking questions which are really "retests" phrased in a
progressive vice regressive manner. I endorse both the phraseology and
direction since it accomplishes the purpose while avoiding the objectionable
We have an Eagle Board tonight. I suspect the candidate will pass because,
as usual, I know the troops, the SMs and a lot about the young men before
they appear. Chairing the District Eagle Board is not the most valuable job
in Scouting but it is the best.
I apologize for my earlier post not having a subject. I planned to add the
subject after I read what I wrote and forgot - sometimes I am humbled by my
advancing years. 8-)
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City