Re: No Singing???
Bruce E. Cobern (bec@NYC.PIPELINE.COM)
Mon, 26 Aug 1996 03:40:37 GMT
On Aug 25, 1996 01:00:15, 'CHUCK BRAMLET <chuckb@AZTEC.ASU.EDU>' wrote:
>I am also hard pressed to agree that 20-30 kids (or adults, for that
>matter) sitting around a campfire singing "Puff, the Magic Dragon" would
>constitute a serious financial loss for Mr.s Stokey and Yarrow. The
>(c) notices that I have seen are very clear - public performance for
>profit. A group sitting around a campfire singing for enjoyment doesn't
>quite make it, IMHO.
Let's try to put some of this into perspective. So far, as far as I can
tell, the only area where ASCAP has expressed their concerns about
royalties are in summer camps. These camps charge for attendance and,
according to ASCAP, music very often an integral part of the camp program.
That makes the performance one for which a fee is charged, and clearly
subject to copyright protection and royalty payment.
On the other hand, a campfire on a weekend overnight is NOT something for
which a fee is charged and would, most likely, NOT be something in which
ASCAP was interested, or, at least, not something in which they have as yet
expressed an interest.
As I understand the whole thing, ASCAP had reached an agreement last year
with the American Camping Association concerning blanket fees for a summer
camp season. Apparently, some member camps balked at payment. I do not
know whether the local BSA or GSUSA camps are members of ACA, but ASCAP has
apparently now expressed a desire to discuss this issue with the national
If it turns out that your local council camp (BSA or GSUSA) has to pay an
annual fee of something like $400 for the summer, I don't think that this
will be a budget item that will make a significant impact on the camp
>I rank this one right up there with Major League baseball charging the LL
>a fee of $6 per player royalty for the use of the team names on there
>uniforms. It _may_ be legal, but it sure is acting the bully.
It is possible that they may decide that the negative PR from pressing the
issue with either BSA or GSUSA makes it not worth their while, but that is
their decision to make. If they desire the compensation to which they are
entitled I do not think there is much we can do about it.
Bruce E. Cobern
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City