Re: Have I been wrong!!!!!
Stan Pope (StanDCmr@AOL.COM)
Mon, 19 Aug 1996 07:19:38 -0400
Well, its kinda tough to give you feedback, except on the one
situation that you raise. From what you say, I interpret that you feel
that everything that has been said lately about re-testing is incorrect.
Perhaps that is so, because the following was not stated in this venue
The first issue to deal with is "How should a test be conducted?" The
best description I've seen is in the Scoutmaster's Handbook, under "A
Scout is tested" in the Advancement chapter. Without presuming to
speak for the book, I think it can be summarized as "Watching the
scout show the skill as he participates in the program."
The next issue is "By whom should the scout be tested?" It is the
scoutmasters job (responsibility) to make a list of who is
authorized to sign off on which requirements for rank badges. (Ref.
Advancement Policies and Procedures #33088 1996, pg 13.) Much
of the problem I've seen described in the newsgroups arises from
failing to do this, and then trying to figure out how to patch up the
However, the literature is very clear on the question of "retesting in
the BoR and SM Conf." These are "requirements" to be completed,
and you and I, even with 7 beads between us, can't change those
requirements for advancement. The BoR and SM Conf have well-
defined purposes, but retesting requirements aren't part of them.
Now, did I pass your test?
From: Tom Lynch <woodsliv@TMINET.COM>
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 07:50:54 -0700
I've been reading all these posts on BOR and S/M conferences, and
after all these 20+ years I must be doing it wrong if I listen to some of
the wisdom posted.
I too am W/B trained and also a Staffer, and I don't remember some
of what is being posted.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I think that what is being said, is
that once a Scout has a requirement signed off, by whomever, he
should never be retested on that requirement. That during a S/M
conference he should not be questioned, and the only reason we
have a BOR is to make him feel good.
During my time in this program, I have found that some of the
requirements, especially at summer camps, and especially during the
new Scout training, are signed off in large groups. I've observed
some of these sessions, and maybe, out of a group of say 20 Scouts,
only 10 Scouts will answer the questions asked by the councilor
during the class, but all 20 Scouts will be signed off, and say 3 or 4 of
them didn't even know they were in the class. If I'm reading the post
right, then this is OK with some people,because they were signed off
at camp by a camp staff member, and it must be right.
I don't want to put how I think this should be done, but I would like
some feedback. Maybe they have changed the rules since 93, when I
was a Staffer for WE431.
YIS Tom Lynch (NIMENEES)
Used to be A Bobwhite and I thought a good one too.
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City