Re: Taking Back Ranks
Deirdre LaRock (butterbuns@EARTHLINK.COM)
Wed, 14 Aug 1996 22:37:02 -0400
Chris (jacobi.PARC@XEROX.COM) wrote earlier:
(from my comments):
>>And remember, even though YOU physically hold the badge, the BSA can and HAS
>>THE RIGHT to request it back. It is *their award to you* and you are
>>*holding it indefinately*
>I'm sorry, this is whisfull thinking. We have to keep the rights on those
>badges close so we can prevent some missuse. However, there are limits to
what >we can do. In particular once we give a patch to a boy, the boy owns
the >patch. He can keep it, wear it, or sell it and this is none of our
You are absolutely correct in what you are saying, Chris, but I'm not talking
about the physical badge...after all, just about anyone that REALLY wants one
can purchase a Eagle Scout medal for about $25 and up from a memorbilia
collector; the actual price of the medal is still around $11.
What I'm speaking of, of course, is the OFFICIAL RECORDS which the BSA
maintains for each of their members, past and present, both at the 12/6/4
Regional Offices as well as at the National Office itself. It is THAT
RECORD which *really* dictates whether or not a Scout or Scouter holds the
Eagle Scout Badge or other rank(s) within the movement, as well as national
service and tenure awards.
In this matter, the BSA giveth and can taketh away.
And they HAVE.
>However, we keep the copyright for the design and we make the rules what a
boy >can do WHILE HE IS A SCOUT.
In ALL of these cases, the BSA's National Executive Board has removed the rank
of Eagle from these "gentlemen" LONG AFTER they have earned the Eagle (or in
a couple of cases, Eagle Palms).
I also wrote this line:
>>BSA's National Executive Board...the ONLY body which can "take away a rank".
> Sounds reasonable to me. Of course we ought to be able to take away a rank;
> however there is no way we can take away property or deny having issued
> a rank. Not even national has the power to change the past.
Well, not really "change the past" but rather "change the status" of those
individuals, so that the phrase "once a Eagle, Always an Eagle" doesn't stand
true with them.
May I please post two more additional paragraphs on WHY THIS IS SO IMPORTANT and
not a "trivial pursuit" question and answer? There were several people that
asked this point in the digest Dee has provided to me.
This is important to many of us whom are or were Scoutmasters, Advisors,
Coaches or Skippers. We need to impress upon our Life Scouts as well as ALL
of our Scouts that they are taking an awesome responsibility in earning the
ranks of the Boy Scouting program, and it is their job to "live up to the
highest reasoning or standards of the rank". While many people view the
advancement program of the BSA as something like classroom instruction or a
opportunity", we inside the program have a high degree of response to those
that say "well, it's just a badge". The badge represents a degree of
knowledge, skills and leadership that builds on the previous steps, and is
only the OUTWARD
SIGN of a better-prepared individual (boy or girl).
So "why care" if the badge can be taken away and under what circumstances???
Perhaps we shouldn't care, but let me offer a practical reason why to do so:
to *prevent* the possibility of a kid "going bad" by "placing in his or her
ears and mind" the importance of having that badge. If we tell a kid that
steals or harms others or goes to jail...that he will LOSE his status as a
Eagle Scout" or as a Gold Award reciepent, perhaps that ONE THING would
serve as a
subconsious reminder that maybe he or she SHOULDN'T EVEN BE THINKING ABOUT DOING
Hope that this additional information helps out!
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City