Re: Palms and Shoulder Loops
Ernest R. Spradling (102736.1372@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Sat, 30 Mar 1996 01:09:01 EST
On Wed, 27 Mar 1996 12:15:39 -0600 the blackeagle (MAJ) Mike Walton"
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>Cubmaster, Assistant Cubmaster, Den Leader Coach, Pack Committee, Den
>Leader, Den Mother, Assistant Den Leader,
>Assistant Den Mother, WEBELOS Den Leader and WEBELOS Assistant Den Leader
>Scoutmaster, Assistant Scoutmaster (and in 44 local Councils as a test,
>Junior Assistant Scoutmaster), Troop Committee
>(Also in another 44 local Councils, District Commissioner, Assistant
>District Commissioner, Unit Commissioner, and
>District Executive and Associate District Executive).
Do you mean a "solid" embroidered patch, or are you referring to just the
mylar borders? Simon Kenton Council still uses the mylar-bordered District
Scout and District Cub Commissioners, as well as Troop and Pack Commissioners.
>In 1978, the BSA terminated the program and while didn't state that those
>that earned the patches could NOT continue to wear them, issued the now
>famous "Trained" strip (back to the
>50s and 60s with an updated look!) for ANYONE (youth or adult) that have
>completed the basic training for their current
>position. So today, instead of wearing the "glow-in-the-dark"
>patch, you wear the old drab patch with a "TRAINED" (or "Overtrained" or
>"Untrainable" *smile*) strip below the position patch.
I preferred the old "Trained" strips. The new ones are rather cheesy, IMHBCO.
After I earned my Commissioner's Key, I followed the "old" (60's custom) and
removed the Trained strips (yes, I actually <removed> some clutter from
my uniform :).
>>My old brain (and my old trunk of old uniforms and patches)
>>recalls that the old "unimproved" Scouting program was
>>kinder to the illiterate. The patches in the sixties and before
>>did not indicate the "title" or position in writing .. they used
>>colors. The color scheme of 1971-1972 followed these
>>patterns. My SM patch was green with silver borders, ASM -
>In 1959, the BSA issued position patches with the name of the position in
>the border color, and they lasted until the 1972-73
>"improved" patches were created. I have an old Scoutmaster,
>Assistant Scoutmaster, and Troop Committee patch in my
Don't you mean 1969? The leader patches looked the same for about 40 years
that I have been able to research, other than the rolled edges that appeared
>Cub Leader patches were the same. The pre-1960 Explorer
>leader patches (before they went to the little strip names)
>were similar (red with silver or gold) (Not certain on that one).
>I seem to recall that district, council and national patches
>followed this scheme using much the same colors as in
>1971-2. (I would not bet anything substantial on that -- but as
>to the SM and ASM, I have both from the mid-sixties).
Lew must be thinking of the old C-A-W (Compass, Anchor & Wings)
badges of the 40s and 50s. Those went out with the inception of the
Circle-V Explorer logo.
>The Commissioner patches were the same color as the Council and District
>patches, blue, when they first came out. I have an
>old Neighborhood Commissioner and a District Commissioner
>patch in blue and gold. It wasn't until 1973 that the Commissioners
>received the same colored patches as their professional counterparts.
Mike, THX for filling in some of the gaps in my adult leader emblem history. I
remember the mylar Cornerstone patches, but I was misspending my college
experience during that time, and never took the training.
Randy Spradling, P.E.
Troop Commissioner Arrowhead District Simon Kenton Council
(still FREEMASON@aol.com, but CI$ mail poster seems to be working better)
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