Re: Palms and Shoulder Loops
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Wed, 27 Mar 1996 12:15:39 -0600
Lew Orans wrote:
>Interesting post (as always) and I am sure you were sitting >next to your
PC waiting to answer this one.
Well..kinda...A woman from our zoo was supposed to email
me an application and background sheet and I've been waiting for it...I
think that she's forgotten all about it, so I'll call her for the FIFTH time
after I finish this response.
I've taken your posting out of order to answer them a little
more efficently...thanks for your great words!! I enjoy writing and if I
need to, researching the answers whether or not *I*
get it right the first time!!
I wrote earlier:
>>When the "Improved Scouting program" came into being in
>>1972/73, the BSA wanted to visually recognize those >>Scouters occupying
key roles. Hence, they devised a color >>scheme which would visually allow
ANYONE to instantly >>recognize at what level and what position a person is
>>occupying in the program without lettering....and to allow >>those outside
the program to instantly recognize Scouters in >>key positions with
>>the addition of lettering which describes the position held.
>Do you remember what we called the "glow in the dark" SM >and ASM patches.
Yeah...I have one of each of the unit patches here at home.
What Lew is talking about are the fully-embrodered versions of key position
patches which was to denote the "fully trained" status of an individual.
The "glow in the dark" feeling comes from very bright colored thread and
Mylar gold or silver border and lettering, which made those patches really
stand out when compaired to their peers' patches of office.
The BSA did this for:
Cubmaster, Assistant Cubmaster, Den Leader Coach, Pack Committee, Den
Leader, Den Mother, Assistant Den Leader,
Assistant Den Mother, WEBELOS Den Leader and WEBELOS Assistant Den Leader
Scoutmaster, Assistant Scoutmaster (and in 44 local Councils as a test,
Junior Assistant Scoutmaster), Troop Committee
(Also in another 44 local Councils, District Commissioner, Assistant
District Commissioner, Unit Commissioner, and
District Executive and Associate District Executive).
When you have completed the basic training for that position, you received a
bright green card (I still have mine) which enables you to show and purchase
as many of the "trained" versions of your position patch as you want. It was
SUPER idea, almost TOO great of an idea...
> They were really nice. I fondly remember being the first on >my block --
actually, the first in my Council, to earn this >delightful emblem.
The problem was, Lew and others, that the emblem became more of a "status
emblem" than a "training recognition". The
BSA, not wanting to give up early, thought that strenghtening the access to
the patch was the problem and midway in the
third year (1976), allowed ANY Scouter that completed basic training in
their position to purchase the patch without the card. Then, the gates
opened and EVERYONE was wearing one (or trying to dual, triple and quadruple
register to be able to wear one of the "nice patches".
In 1978, the BSA terminated the program and while didn't state that those
that earned the patches could NOT continue to wear them, issued the now
famous "Trained" strip (back to the
50s and 60s with an updated look!) for ANYONE (youth or adult) that have
completed the basic training for their current
position. So today, instead of wearing the "glow-in-the-dark"
patch, you wear the old drab patch with a "TRAINED" (or "Overtrained" or
"Untrainable" *smile*) strip below the position patch.
>My old brain (and my old trunk of old uniforms and patches) >recalls that
the old "unimproved" Scouting program was >kinder to the illiterate. The
patches in the sixties and before >did not indicate the "title" or position
in writing .. they used >colors. The color scheme of 1971-1972 followed these
>patterns. My SM patch was green with silver borders, ASM - >gold, JASM
In 1959, the BSA issued position patches with the name of the position in
the border color, and they lasted until the 1972-73
"improved" patches were created. I have an old Scoutmaster,
Assistant Scoutmaster, and Troop Committee patch in my
>Cub Leader patches were the same. The pre-1960 Explorer >leader patches
(before they went to the little strip names) >were similar (red with silver
or gold) (Not certain on that one). >I seem to recall that district, council
and national patches >followed this scheme using much the same colors as in
>1971-2. (I would not bet anything substantial on that -- but as >to the SM
and ASM, I have both from the mid-sixties).
The Commissioner patches were the same color as the Council and District
patches, blue, when they first came out. I have an
old Neighborhood Commissioner and a District Commissioner
patch in blue and gold. It wasn't until 1973 that the Commissioners
received the same colored patches as their professional counterparts.
Thanks again for your kind words, Lew....I truly appreciate it!
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