Re: Rapid Growth's Problems
John Gabriel (gabriel@FREENET.MSP.MN.US)
Wed, 27 Mar 1996 12:04:50 -0600
'Peter Farnham wrote...'
> I've got a few questions to ask of those of you who have been through
> the rapid resurrection of a troop.
Quite a big few ;-)
> First, our new scout patrol is now up to nine boys, all scouts or
> brand-new just crossed-over weebs. ...
> ... Since a patrol is supposed to be 3-8 boys, and the
> ideal size is 5-6, might this not be a bit large to be manageable?
No, they are managed by Adults for the first year, we have 12 boys in our
> I have no intention of arbitrarily breaking up the patrol into two,
> although I may suggest it to the boys and see how they react. If they
> don't want to, I'll leave it alone until the fall, when they'll have
They will be in for a year by fall? Maybe our council switched dates locally
since we do it after Blue and Gold. We bring the boys up from the new Patrol
when all the new boys join after Blue and Gold.
> An alternative might be to start a second new scout patrol with the
> new guys who just joined last night. There's only two of them,
> though, for the time being. Is this a problem, in the list's opinion?
This seems bad, get them in with the other boys, helps them to get
to know each other, won't feel isolated.
> You see the problem--if some (or all?) of these boys decide to join my
> troop, might this annoy/irritate the SM of the other troop, who is a
> very decent guy also trying to resurrect his troop?
First, they are just coming to look at your troop to fullfill a requirement.
Two, it may probably annoy the SM a little, but each Scout Troop has a
different flavor to it and so not meant for every boy, that may be one of
the reasons the boys need to visit 2 troops, and the other Scoutmaster should
also understand this.
> A third problem is related to the new scout patrol concept in general.
> I understand how it's supposed to work--a kid joins the new scout
> patrol, where he stays for a year, then he joins a regular patrol.
> But what if there's only one regular patrol? How does one start up
> regular patrols if there haven't been any up to now? ...
> ... Thus, when they
> all turn 18, the patrol disappears. I thought the regular patrols
> were supposed to go on forever, with all the attendant tradition,
> etc., although the boys of course would change.
> To solve this, I've been thinking of having my current new scout
> patrol (9 guys) become two regular patrols next fall when they've been
> in scouts a year. Then, the new guys that come in in the fall would
> become the new scout patrol, and at the end of their year, they'd have
> three patrols they could join. Does this seem workable?
You could TRY to split the boys of the older patrol up into 3 patrol
groupings and then have all the younger guys fill in. Your idea for
3 patrols with 2 for younger guys and then a fourth for new boys is
workable even if it is not the "ideal" situation. If you haven't learned by
now it is that no scout troop or it's organization is "perfectly ideal",
though some come close but only after several years (decades) of work.
John Gabriel, ASM, Troop 107
West St. Paul, Mn
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