Grant O'Neil (oneig@SEA.WA.EDU.AU)
Mon, 25 Mar 1996 11:23:00 PST
Mike L. Walton wrote in reply:
>>In Australia this woggle is presented at the completion of Stage
>>3 leader training. I won't go into too much detail, but (for
>>now at least - like I said, it's changing) our leader
>>training comprises stages 1 through 5; stage 1-3 qualify you
>>to be a "warranted" scouter, while stages 4 and 5 are the
>What you describe as "Stages 1-3" is what we do under our
>Fast Start training for new Scoutmasters ...
>include an overnight training experience.
A little more detail on Stage 1 to 3:
Stage 1 basically an orientation. 1 evening covering basics such as
of scouting, law and promise, etc. Personally I almost considered it an
to have to do this after ten years as a youth member in the movement, but
"rules is rules..."
Stage 2 Commonly referred to as "green file" (a bit of a misnomer now; for
about the past six months the files have actually been white!); you are
a file that has details of various meetings you are required to attend (with
space to write notes and comments) and tasks to complete. Meetings
basically cover two meetings with your own group, visits to two outside
groups and the section above and below you own (i.e. for a scout leader
you would attend 2 meetings of your own troop, visit 2 other troops and
visit a cub pack and venturer unit), plus other relevant meetings such as
group council (all scouters in group) group committee (I believe BSA
has same setup - basically equivalent for scout group of school PTA)
The tasks are I think about equivalent to tenderfoot level; basic knots,
basic first aid, etc. On completion of the green file it is signed by the
District Commissioner and you are scheduled for stage 3 training.
Stage 3 Two residential training weekends. Basically you are
organised into patrols, sixes, etc. and camp and work together in that
Of course, as I said before, all this is in the process of changing to what
is termed "phase training"; at present the first cub woodbadge course is
being run this way and we are likely to be the last scout/venturer stage 4
under the old system. I don't know much detail of the new system, but now
training has titles such as "common core" and "advanced core" and
apparently residential training has been reduced to one weekend for the
stage 3 and stage 4 equivalent levels, with the rest of the training being
conducted during the day over weekends in scout headquarters. I guess it's
what they call progress...
>>I used to be a Magpie, and I'm still a Venturer...
>That's fun to sing...."now I've finished Magpiing and I don't
>know what to do.." *heheheee* Again, Welcome to the list!
Actually, we sing it "now I've finished Magging..." (common Aussie slang
for talking...) In the case of venturers we sing "now I've finished
the great amusement of our fellow course participants. Venturers have a bit
of a reputation for flatulence...! ;-)
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City