Mike Walton (blackeagle@HCC-UKY.CAMPUS.MCI.NET)
Fri, 22 Mar 1996 19:30:14 -0600
Grant O'Neil wrote:
>Wow - I just got my first _day_ worth of messages from this
>list - I'm a bit
>worried I might end up suffering from information overload
> here. Still, it's
>great to see so many people enthusiastically working in this
> great scouting
>"game" as BP was fond of referring to it. My only slightly
> negative comment
>here would be that there is a very strong BSA flavour - while
> I realise that
>probably the majority of list members are BSA, there are many
> of us from
>elsewhere and - this is particularly important to keep in mind
> in discussion
>of Law and Promise; the basic principles are the same, but the
> details of
>wording may often vary. Anyway, I certainly don't want to let a
> minor detail
>like that detract from my enjoyment of such a wonderful forum.
It won't here, Grant. For the record, this list is a YOUTH
PROGRAMS discussion list, and of course, we not only welcome your
thoughts and opinions and "spins", but we ENCOURAGE it. So don't
let the 70/30 "BSA/GSUSA" split bother you...CORRECT and REMIND
us from time to time...we sometimes forget! *grinning*
>It may be of interest to note that Australian scout policy
>changed about a year or so ago so that Scouters may not take
>their scouts camping unless they are woodbadge qualified!
>(I'm not sure of the exact details of this policy, and I am not
>sure it is rigidly enforced, but that is at least what I have
>been led to believe
The BSA has been considering some equal changes and there are
some changes with our program to be formally announced this
spring and over the summer. Basically it is going to be a
continuation of the "tightening of the roles" that we Scouters
play in the program at the unit level and a requirement that
we participate in a youth protection program and some
"orientation training" before we can take Scouts out. I can't
say more than that, because the groups that are discussing it
haven't finally decided what the policy which will be announced
will consist of and how "much" will they "hold us all to the
fire" with it.
Kinda like your country's enforcement of the Wood Badge training
>I am curious about a couple of details in Mike's description
>of the BSA woodbadge:
>The woggle that is presented with the Gilwell scarf and beads
>- is that the two-strand leather turks-head woggle?
Yep. It goes in our country with the neckerchief and other
items that I described earlier. Part of the public recognition
process is the wearing of the neckerchief and woggle.
>In Australia this woggle is presented at the completion of Stage
>3 leader training. I won't go into too much detail, but (for
>now at least - like I said, it's changing) our leader
>training comprises stages 1 through 5; stage 1-3 qualify you
>to be a "warranted" scouter, while stages 4 and 5 are the
What you describe as "Stages 1-3" is what we do under our
Fast Start training for new Scoutmasters (conducted or should
be conducted within 48 hours of becoming a Scoutmaster and
can be done with a videotape and a booklet; and then our
Scoutmaster Fundamentals course which does (or should....with
340 local Councils doing this training, there's a lot of shall
I say, "special ways" that the course is conducted --even though
the syallabus comes from National and says "not to change it"
without their permission!) include an overnight training
>It seems that our project is somewhat like the BSA "ticket". It
>also sounds like we get it easy here - if I understand
>correctly, it seems that BSA scouters pay their own woodbadge
>training fees; here it is common practice that the scout group
>will pay the costs of leader training for scouters from the
>group (probably just as well as I believe my group has had to
>pay rather more than $125 for me to do woodbadge training, and
>I'd have great difficulty in meeting such an expense myself!)
If a Scoutmaster or other Scouter does it right, they may not
have to pay for their training. There's a lot of resources
starting with the organization that charters their Troop that
can pay for the Wood Badge fees. Many Scouters pay for Wood
Badge because in the USA, it can be used as a business training
expense or as a non-profit organizational deduction on that
dreaded income tax!
>I used to be a Magpie, and I'm still a Venturer...
That's fun to sing...."now I've finished Magpiing and I don't
know what to do.." *heheheee* Again, Welcome to the list!
Settummanque, the blackeagle......(MAJ) Mike L. Walton
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