Re: First Knot location
JAMES A SHECKELS (sheckej@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Tue, 19 Mar 1996 12:48:02 -0800
In a message dated 96-03-19 05:43:27 EST, donc@CCCD.EDU (Don Cock)
>>If you have two, together they are centered over
>>the pocket. Three fit across the pocket.
>I believe that the centering of two knots was changed in a recent
edition of the insignia guide along with the requirement that the knots
be worn in a certain order. Removing and reapplying the knots creates
excessive wear and tear on the uniform and on tyhe "sew-er".
>Can anyone confirm or "authoritatively" deny this belief?
The Insignia Control Guide does state that knots can be worn in any
order. I believe the order of wear has been a non-issue since sometime
in the sixties. Centering is also a non-issue, as it is not addressed
in the guide.
My guide is a 95 printing #33064. On page 44 it says knots are worn in
order at the wearer's discretion. Rows up to three above the left
pocket. No mention is made of centering. Seems it would make since
for the first to be centered, with number 2 and 3 in any row to be
added left or right of the first, or centered, at the wearer's
(possibly the sewer's) discretion.
Being a military type, I always center my knots becuase I think they
look better that way. But even the Army regulation allows off center
rows of ribbons in some cases.
My sewer (read that wife - Becky) has ensured I am trained at center
sewing and matching thread colors, not to mention bobbin (?)
operations. So I can attest that the motivation to center does indeed
offer some wear and tear on the sewer.
Some of my shirts display wear and tear from patch removal and
replacement. This occurs mostly on the left sleeve from office
patch-itis. I resolved this by putting velcro on several shirts to
change patches when I change hats. My dress scout uniform has my Troop
numbers and CoR patch on it permanently.
I have known some who put their knots on a thin plastic or cardboard
backing with clutch-style pins and clamps (like the hat pin clutch) so
they can easily move their fruit salad to whichever uniform they are
wearing. Only thing here is to watch the position of the World Crest
as the salad grows. (BTW, fruit salad = military slang for rows of
colorful ribbons ;-)). Before you ask, the position of the World Crest
menas naught when the shirt is very small or the knots are large in
count. Stick it on the shirt above the left pocket that looks good
when you have whatever other ornaments you wear on the shirt. (Let the
hardcore uniform police stuff that in their pipe and smoke it...oops,
tobacco is out,,let's see, OK - stuff that in their mesh bag and
These thoughts are provided free of charge, and are not official unless
supported by an official reference to a BSA official refernce thing.
This is because I believe Scouting IS NOT an exact science and you
should use your brain housing group - no one else is!
YIS Jim Sheckels I used to be a Bobwhite....
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City