Life to Eagle and all responses.
David Burgart (djb@TEAMQUEST.COM)
Tue, 19 Mar 1996 12:52:57 CST
Thanks to Tom Petrik for summarizing all the responses (follows). Also, thanks
to everyone on the 'net that responsed, it was overwhelming and will help to
fortify us as we set out to correct the situation.
ASM, Troop 30
Clear Lake, Iowa
1. There is no meeting requirement.
2. you cannot require a certain number of hours.
3. you do have to have the district (or council, or Eagle co-ordinator)
approve your project , which usually means after convincing SM and troop
committee the scout has to actually contact the man involved, but a oral
presentation? Most of my kids just stated what they wanted to do, had a brief
discussion because the chairman asked a few questions, and either had it
approved or knew what to change to make it acceptable.
4. You cannot require the forms be typed. They are expected to be neat, but
everything from Pencil to Computers have been used.
5. There is no set number of hours.
You've been told to try the key three of the district, and if that is the
level for approval, start there. If not, go to the head of the Council
Advancement Committee, do not pass go, and don't worry about the money.
If you are unsatisfied, go to the Council key 3 with a copy of the
advancement guidelines and show exactly where (and the entire eagle process
is covered in 12 steps or something) the people are wrong. Do not settle for
the Scout Exec., ask that all three be present.
And if all of that fails, please contact Mr. Willis, who teaches Boy Scout
Advancement at Philmont Training Center and is on the National Advancement
Committee. His fax # is 817.731.0100 and tell him Tom Petrik sent you and its
just a little more Eagle controversy that a Council can't read right. You can
also get help from the Eagle Scout service at the National Office, and they
may even be willing to explain the errors in no uncertain terms if you were
to submit a letter, although you would probably have to submit a letter for a
denied Eagle in order to get a hearing and a real ruling that will force the
council to change.
And keep me in mind, I'm always happy to grab a manual and tell people
they're screwing up royally and I have 12 pages of notes from Philmont to
prove that fact if they'd like to read them instead of the manual.
Kepp this phrase in your mind at all times: Advancement must be done on an
equal basis across the country at all times. At no time can we allow one part
of the country to introduce or add requirements that changes the character or
value of the award, nor can we allow anyone to change the requirements so
that it is harder to become an Eagle Scout in one Council instead of another.
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City