Re: Life to Eagle requirements, is this fair?
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Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:13:45 -0600
David Burgart wrote and asked:
>Every 6 months our District Advancement Chairperson conducts an >Eagle
Scout Project orientation that is required attendance for >all Life or Star
scouts before they start working on their Eagle >projects.
Required for WHAT? Its a good idea to HIGHLY RECOMMEND ATTENDANCE
and, as we talked about this back two years back, it's certainly
a SUPERIOR idea that the District Advancement Chair sits with
each Scout and his family and explains the process in it's entirerty to
insure that there's no confusion in what the District
is looking for...but REQUIRED? I've got to question that. I'd be
curious as to what Chris Haggerty has to say about this (Chris is
our senior-most advancement person here).
>This orientation is held in mid-May and mid-September. The >Advancement
Chairperson outlines all the requirements for doing >the Eagle Project.
Good time periods...most Eagles are processed between April and
October, with the second best period between October and December
(in time for most college application documentation).
>My first question is: During the meeting he stated that if the >boy's name
was not on the attendance sheet for that night, he >would not even look at
the Life to Eagle Packet (much less sign >it) because the meeting was a
requirement. Can he do that?
Nope. His job is to evaluate ALL of the Eagle applications sent
to his "subcommittee". As long as you have received approval from
him in advance, that the project is sound, and that the Life to
Eagle booklet is completed to the point it should be, he doesn't
have any ground to stand on in denying reviewing it or signing it.
>Do other districts do that? Isn't that an additional requirement >that he
is putting on the boy?
Yes, it is. What if the kid was ill or out of town with the football team
or the Troop during that evening? What if the kid
was attending the Council Jamboree orientation meeting that evening?
I don't know of any district that REQUIRES attendance at such a
meeting, but I do know of several Districts that have taken the
lead as we've discussed here and shared with others afterwards.
They have chosen to have "orientation meetings", but they DO NOT
REQUIRE attendance; they do, however, STRONGLY ENCOURAGE attendance.
There's a big difference, and something which as far
as I am aware of, does NOT involve NOT reviewing or signing-off
of the application nor project packet.
>Then he said there were 6 more things that he required and went >on to
> 1. The boy could not sent him the Life to Eagle Packet to sign, >or have a
parent or SM drop if off. Rather the boy had to come >in person
This is a good idea in principle...
>and do a oral presentation of the project--"...sell me on the >project,
make me feel like it is something you really want to >do...", he said.
All he's insuring here is that Momma and Pappa didn't come up with
the project idea, nor did Scoutmaster or Assistant Scoutmaster.
I don't have a problem with this, although it's nowhere in the
official process. Again, here, he's NOT adding to the requirements but
rather allowing the Scout to explain in his own
verbage why he chose that project and how in general terms he's going to go
about completing it. (In reality, though, this conversation should be
conducted between Scout and Scoutmaster, and not between Scout and District
guy or gal).
> 2. The project must be 100 hours.
> 3. The results of the project must be typed.
Again, there's NOTHING that REQUIRES the lenght of the project
being 100 hours or 50 hours; as far as everything beting typed,
once the Council/District approves the project, the only thing
which goes to National is the summary of the project which CAN
be HANDWRITTEN (mine was), typed or computer-generated onto the
actual application. All of the other materials now are retained
at the local Council.
> 4. It must be something the boy wants to do very badly, not >just
something that the parents or SM talked him into.
Again, this goes back to my response on the first "requirement"
above. This ISN'T a REQUIREMENT (it IS my personal opinion, that
he's on track to insure that the project is his own thoughts,
assisted by but not "convinced by" his parents or guardians,
nor his Scoutmaster or Advisor or Coach).
>5. The boy must involve the other boys in the troop. (I do not >have a
problem with this, but I don't see it in the national >requirements.)
You're correct that it's NOT a part of the national requirements.
Many projects CAN involve other boys in the Troop or other Troops.
Some projects are designed to involve the community at large and
therefore other Scouts in the Troop aren't really neccessary for
>6. It must be finished in one years time after getting signed >off by him.
It sounds like this person just wants an "assembly line".
One year is a long time to complete a project...it sounds like
he doesn't want to be bothered with changes to the project,
with new project ideas, or with Scouts constantly coming to him.
What a shame, because he could really assist in the leadership
development of each and every Scout.
>Is this guy adding additional requirements on the boys in this >district?
Yes and no, as I've stated here. There's more yeah than nah, so
overall, I would tend to say yes.
> Who should I complain to?
This dude, for one. Ask him to *show you* where he's got those
additional requirements from. If he can't, ask him to set aside
those additional requirements until the COUNCIL can establish
some sort of consistant additional steps (note that I used the
word "steps" not "requirements") in order to streamline the Eagle
application and project working procedure.
If this dude says something to the effect of "Well...it's the
Council's policy that....", go to the Council Advancement Chair and ask to
*see that policy*. If's it verbal, take your copy of
the current version of the BSA's Advancement Procedures booklet,
photocopy the inside front cover, and give it to him.
(that front cover states that only the National Council may change, modify,
add or delete from the policies contained within
and gives the address at National where you can pettition for those changes)
Hey Chris...what have I left out?
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