Re: Life to Eagle requirements, is this fair?
hilding holroyd (hilding@BLUESTONE.COM)
Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:54:23 EST
> Every 6 months our District Advancement Chairperson conducts an Eagle
> Scout Project orientation that is required attendance for all Life or
> Star scouts before they start working on their Eagle projects. This
> orientation is held in mid-May and mid-September. The Advancement
> Chairperson outlines all the requirements for doing the Eagle Project.
Jersey Shore Council (NJ) conducts a Life to Eagle Seminar once per
year in November. We HIGHLY recommend all Star/Life Scouts & parents
atend. We also review the requirements, the application form and
"THE PROJECT". (gee, one almost gets the same reaction to THE PROJECT
as one gets to THE TICKET in Wood Badge.)
> My first question is: During the meeting he stated that if the boy's
> name was not on the attendance sheet for that night, he would not even
> look at the Life to Eagle Packet ...
This is an additional requirement that, to me, is a gross misuse of
power. (bit of a flame there.)
> Then he said there were 6 more things that he required
> 1. The boy could not sent him the Life to Eagle Packet to sign, or
> have a parent or SM drop if off. Rather the boy had to come in person
> and do a oral presentation of the project
Frankly, I do not have TOO much of a problem with this. Yes, it is an
additional requirement, but ... I am the District Adv. Chair for my
district and I will be requiring each Life Scout to come to me to
discuss the project BEFORE I sign the project approval form. He will
need to "sell" me on the project. This is assuming that you are
referring to what happens before the work is done. After the work,
I would accept the final report to be just dropped off. I would read
it and then call the Scout if I had questions.
> 2. The project must be 100 hours.
This is a matter of using manhours to measure significance. I look for
about 40-80 hours on the part of other workers plus the Eagle
candidate's planning hours and final report hours. I am sure it will
all come to over 100.
> 3. The results of the project must be typed.
This sure makes it more readable. With so many PC's in homes, and
schools, I feel reasonably comfortable pushing this. Of course,
the exception (no pc or typewriter available) must be acceptable,
also. But the report had better be very ligible.
> 4. It must be something the boy wants to do very badly, not just
> something that the parents or SM talked him into.
How badly does the Scout want his Eagle? Is there desire there? If so,
then he REALLY wants to do the project; no matter who suggested it.
> 5. The boy must involve the other boys in the troop.
Showing leadership is probably easiest with the boys from the troop.
But I would not preclude other groups/troops/etc participating. I have
not seen any projects that did not involve SOME other Scouts.
> 6. It must be finished in one years time after getting signed off
No way. The requirements read "While a Life Scout ..." No time limit,
no requirement that ALL merit badges be completed (which is something
that we push but not require). I believe that a project that has been
sitting around for over a year will need some changes or be restarted.
(We actually have a case of that right now. All of the paperwork was
submitted and approved, but the project was not done. So we are making
the Scout start over with the paperwork.)
> I would like comments on how your district/council handles this, and
> comments from other Advancement Chairmen. Is this guy putting
> additional requirements on the boys in this district?
As I mentioned, I am new to the District level, but I have been
Troop Advancement Chairman for about 15+ years (various times, various
troops), so I know the requirements. I believe that this gentleman MAY
be trying to avoid some problems that he had in the past.
> Who should I complain to?
Why don't you start with him (the Adv. Chair). If your son is not
having any problems, then you really do not have an axe to grind.
Sit down with the man, review his procedures (and WHY he has them).
Granted, he is adding to the requirements. But is it an attempt to
help the Scouts? avoid past problems? or what? I would start with
him before I go over his head.
In my humble opinion, of course.
Hilding W. Holroyd Advancement Chairman, Tr 250
Lakewood, NJ District Adv Chair, Whispering Pine Dist.
Eagle Class '68 Jersey Shore Council
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