Life to Eagle requirements, is this fair?
Fred Rogers (fredrogers@VNET.IBM.COM)
Wed, 13 Mar 1996 10:47:40 EDT
On Wed, 13 Mar 1996 08:43:54 CST, David Burgart <djb@TEAMQUEST.COM> writes:
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> My first question is: During the meeting he stated that if the boy's
> name was not on the attendance sheet for that night, he would not even
> look at the Life to Eagle Packet (much less sign it) because the
> meeting was a requirement. Can he do that? Do other districts do
> that? Isn't that an additional requirement that he is putting on the
In my opinion, this is definitely an additional requirement.
> 1. The boy could not sent him the Life to Eagle Packet to sign, or
> have a parent or SM drop if off. Rather the boy had to come in person
> and do a oral presentation of the project--"...sell me on the project,
> make me feel like it is something you really want to do...", he said.
> I could not find anywhere in the requirements that said the boy must
> do a oral presentation of the project, is this a requirement?
Nowhere in the requirements is an oral presentation mentioned. In my
mind, this is an additional requirement. I have been pleasantly
surprised when a scout showed up ready to do an oral presentation, but
I have never required it.
> 2. The project must be 100 hours.
There is no minimum or maximum on the project. It must be of
sufficient size to allow the scout to demonostrate his leadership and
> 3. The results of the project must be typed.
We ask for this in my district but will accept hand-written versions
that are neatly and carefully done. Again, this is an additional
> 4. It must be something the boy wants to do very badly, not just
> something that the parents or SM talked him into.
I think this helps, but I also think we have to look at the results.
If the scout did not really want to do the project, chances are that
fact will show in the results. As long as the job is done and done
well, it will be difficult to judge his motives for doing it.
> 5. The boy must involve the other boys in the troop. (I do not have a
> problem with this, but I don't see it in the national requirements.)
I think the important thing here is that he involve other people,
whether they are members of his troop, his school, his church, his
community, etc. It is necessary to involve others in order to
demonstrate leadership. There may be very good reasons for using
people other than his troop.
> 6. It must be finished in one years time after getting signed off my
I know of no time limit for finishing the project.
> I would like comments on how your district/council handles this, and
> comments from other Advancement Chairmen. Is this guy putting
> additional requirements on the boys in this district?
It certainly sounds to me as if additional requirements are being
> Who should I complain to?
This is a more difficult question. Partly, it will depend on who
really wields power in the district and council. I would consider
talking with the District Key Three (District Chairman, District
Commissioner, and District Executive). It would also be easier to make
your points (which I believe are valid) if your son were not in the
middle of the situation. Having your son involved does not negate the
validity of your points but does give the appearance of a "vested
Fred Rogers <email@example.com>
Tioga District Advancement Chairman
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