Re: Blue & Gold & F.O.S. (long)
Todd Norman Tingblad (tingbltn@UWEC.EDU)
Fri, 1 Mar 1996 13:11:39 CDT
Just had to add to this one as I am one of those that do FOS presentations.
The best time for both parties, BSA and parents to do an FOS presentation is
at the B&G. How many parents will make a special trip to a 5-10 minute
presentation asking for money? very very very few if any.
FOS is also a great time to teach the leaders and the parents about all the
stuff that this thing called a COUNCIL does. In my council, Indianhead in
St. Paul, MN, it is really easy to teach these folks what the council
provides. The council has one office designed to support 30 people with 55
people in it to service Scouting in 10 districts, Learning for Life,
Explorering, and Special Needs. The council also runs 4 camps. All of which
provide direct support to the Cub Scout program in Day Camps, Cub Res. Camps,
and Webelos Res. Camps.
The next part of the presentation on teaching these folks what their money
goes for. I explain to them what our council covers and where the council
boundries are. I explain a bit about the other councils to the north, south
east and west and that units from these council also use Indianhead camps. I
also tell them that other councils have funding problems as well as funding
sources that Indianhead does not have access to.
I NEVER...EVER...put down any other council's facilities or programs. I also
make it known that I continue to learn new things from all the folks I know
in these councils. No council is an island. We are all working to the same
goal...bring Scouting to the youth in our service area. With the resources
that all the councils in the area have, we all do a great job!!!!
Lastly, I make it known that I give to FOS. If they ask, I also tell them
that I do not have any children, but believe in this program so much, that it
is important for me to give of my time and money any way I can. If that
means I could only give $1.00, than that is what I would give (I give a lot
Now on to Vince Silva's questions:
1. What do I say to the DE about this?
The FOS or SME program for council fundraiser must be done with ADVANCED
education to the unit leaders long before a presentation is given (a week is
NOT enough time). This information can than be passed on to parents. Let
everyone know well in advance that FOS is a small element of the B&G program.
2. Yesterday the DE called to ask the SM if he could have someone come to our
troop meeting to do a FOS presentation to our parents we said no
First, why is the DE is doing this? This is not the DE's job. It is the FOS
Coordinator's job. The asking to do a presentation should have been done
some two months ago by the FOS Coordinator. Everyone should know well in
advance that this is coming.
3. The only time that we hear from the district/council is when they want
money from us. We never get any other info in a timely manner (the Klondike
the council just held, we received the info on it 2 days AFTER it was held)
Sure can understand this problem. Demand to have an active Unit Commissioner
assigned to your unit. The Unit Commissioner is your number one resource for
information to and from the district and council. Your unit is not getting
the service it requires. Demand better. (This comes from a scouter that had
the same thing happen in his troop, until he became a UC and now my units get
the latest information as quickly as it becomes available).
4. FOS should not be pitched to parents and Volunteers, we already donate our
time and money to the program willingly and don't need the council guilting
us into giving more.
It need not be done that way. FOS at B&G's, if done right, let's everyone
feel good about helping the program to help youth beyond your unit. If that
means everyone only gives $1.00, so what. Every little bit helps. Remember,
the United Way has been cutting back on how much it gives to Scouting. In a
number of councils, they have not seen a penny from the United Way in over 20
years. The money needs to come from somewhere. That $7.00 rechartering fee
does not go to the local council...that is National's money. The local
council only collects it and passes it one to national and it costs the local
council to pass on this $7.00. The local council does not get a "cut" of
5. The FOS presentation should be well thought out and informative, (not the
half baked and poorly presented job I saw at the B&G) and should be pitched
to the business community( along with the benefits they will get from
supporting the program
Well, Vince, you are right. A half baked job is no job at all. It can, and
as I hear from you, did just the reverse...to turn you and others off of FOS.
The council's BSA programs have been put in a poor light. There is also a
Community FOS program. It does just what you are asking. BSA asks for help
in all areas. Family FOS (B&G type presentations), Community FOS (local
community businesses and others outside of Scouting), and Corporate FOS
(going for the really big dollar sources). All parts are important. In many
cases, the Family FOS brings in more money than the Community FOS does.
Finally Vince, the can of worms needs to be opened now and than. As a unit
Commissioner, it sure sounds like your council and district has a
Commissioner Service problem that must be addressed. If you are not getting
good service, you have no good supporting reason to support FOS even through
it is important to support FOS/SME. Demand better Commissioner Service.
Once you start getting the service every unit should be getting, you may just
look at FOS/SME differently.
Just had to answer this one since I do FOS presentations to the units I
service as Unit Commissioner. I am a very active UC as I am at every unit
Committee meeting bringing information to the committees as well as taking
information back to the Commissioner meeting. I am also at each Pack Meeting
and one Troop Meeting a month. Again, to bring information to the units and
to be a resource that the leadership knows they can count on to get them the
information they need to bring the Scouting program to their youth.
With how long this message is, I feel like Mike Walton...ha ha ha ha...
Todd Tingblad -- email@example.com
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