Alaska is a state too! (long, sorry guys....)
Steven SC Worrell (worrell@LEXMARK.COM)
Fri, 16 Feb 1996 19:41:51 EST
On Fri, 16 Feb 1996, Settummanque, the blackeagle (MAJ) Mike Walton wrote:
> Ted wrote:
> The current Transatlantic Council serves youth in the entire
> European continent, along with youth in the Near East...a larger
> area than 75 percent of the continental United States.
HOLD ON TED! Alaska might be an independent minded sate, but IT
IS NOT A FOREGIN COUNTRY. WE HAVE BEEN A STATE FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
REMEMBER THAT WE ARE NO LONGER A TERRITORY. Now, Transatlantic council
ONLY SERVES MILLITARY INSTITUTIONS...where americans are living abroad
for various reasons. TAC does not go out in the towns and establish
troops as do all other councils in BSA aside from Far East.....
> They do it with a staff of nine, and two "paraprofessionals".
Well, there are 3 staffers for Midnight Sun (fairbanks) Council,
and I believe Western Alaska has somewhere around 4 or 5, and southeast
has two. 3+4+3=10. So no savings of people there, we would still need
that many anyhow......
> Getting to the Council office in Germany from Turkey or from Iceland may
> take a couple of days and a couple of aircraft trips,
> but the professional staff does it with relative ease and not
> too much concern or argument.
Yup-getting around our councils to rural areas are the same, cept
you don't have some big ol jumbo jet takin you there, nor do you have a
millitary air lift, rather, you are usually on a cessna....not quite as
luxerious as you flights are:).
> While the language within the TAC is all the same, all of the
> professional staffs must interact and work with the host nations
> of their Districts. For instance, Walt Steffen, the District
> Director of the North Star District, has to speak Norweigen (sp),
> German, English, Polish and French to interact with the host
> nations' Scouting leadership in his District.
Yes-this may be so, BUT Alaskan Natives are much more different
than the white man in general-you have much more in common with europeans
than any of us generally do with alaskan natives. Living in a village is
radically different than moving from millatary base/post to baste/post
with nice, standard accomadations. Usually, when you travel to the
villages, you either stay in the town hall, the chapel, or the
school...sorry, no hotels or guest housing here!
> This will require professionals that are VERY flexible, and volunteers which
> will reflect the geographic and racial makeup of
> the District (the youth) they serve.
Indeed so do our DE's...with such remote villages, the natives
are not even used to outside ideas, are less accepting....
> >When I was in present-day Western Alaska Council we had one DE >whose turf
> extended from Anchorage to Dutch Harbor, over a >thousand miles, and
> reachable only by air. Talk about service to >the units ...?
> The same can be said for those professionals serving youth from
> Hawaii over the Pacific Ocean, from Japan, or from Europe.
Hmm-it looks like this is common for Americans living in foreign
countries. Maybe I need to remind you that alaska is a state.....not
just another territory, commonwealth or foreign country with key millatry
posts (though we have about 6 key millitry establishments in the state,
not including every little base, which did such things as house the first
top secret nuclear reactor).
> >Such a Council would be the antithesis of "your local council office."
> "Your local Council office" *is* Walt, or Phillip, or Mary or
> Kenneth. They, the District Executive/District Directors/staff
> member become the "registrar", the "Scout Executive" and the
> "Scout Shop" for those Scouts and Scouters residing in areas that
> cannot get their information to THE Council office. I can remember when I
> was in TAC that the District Represenative for
> the district which included Morocco, Spain, the Azores and Portugal had to
> travel long distances between just the UNITS, let
> along the Council office outside of Mannheim, Germany!
Again, you are talking about troops for americans living abroad,
not troops spread out in two large urban hubs.....as is the case for Alaska.
> The military helps SOME, by allowing the professional staffs to
> utilize their transports to get from one point to another. But
> it only goes *so far*.
Hmm-since we are not an occupied region and SINCE WE SERVE
CIVILLIANS (primarily) then the Millitary helps us never! It costs
more to fly into the villages than it does to cross the nation, or fly to
seattle...we are talking around $500 and up for a round trip in and out
of the villages. Sorry, there, but millatry has not helped nor will they
ever help us cause we are serving civillians up here.
> I agree with you, Ted, that the creation of ONE Council for all
> of Alaska will present a LOT of challenges for Scouting in our
> northern-most frontier; but it's not something that with a lot
> of volunteer efforts, and the work of the career Scouter team,
> that cannot be done well and with style.
Yup-considering the fact that you will have to have just the same
number of staffers (actually, a few more staffers to run one huge
SUPER-COUNCIL for alaska......volunteer efforts can only go so far if
they have someone to lean on and consult with, not having to wait 4 days
to communicate or run hundreds in longdistance charges....(it does cost
more to call in state here than inter-state).
> It will take a large staff, with a lot of "paraprofessional workers" out
> there in the remote areas of the Council. It will
> take a lot of money, much more than what the Southeast Alaska
> Council and the Western Alaska Councils put in collectively.
> Don't know where they are going to get it all from.
Um, whith that said, what is the point of combining for one huge
SUPERCONCIL for alaska that you seem to be pushing? Here, whether you
realize it or not, what you are in essence saying is to make on council
for the entire state. On the same accord, we need to merge all councils
in the US till we are down the 6....all the same size your dream "alska
super council" as I call it.....nope, just think it is a little extreme,
and defeats the whole way national communicates to to scouters...THROUGH
THE COUNCIL OFFICE!!!!!!
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