Re: Re: Uniforming
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Thu, 7 Dec 1995 13:24:20 -0600
I wrote in a response to Steve:
>> The Quality Unit program measures a unit against *itself* (not against other
>> units it's size or other units in other Districts or Councils), which makes
>> it the most ideal tool for unit self-improvement, leadership development, and
>> of course, the effectiveness of the eight methods of Scouting.
Steve from Newark wrote:
>Yes, I agree that the quality unit award does provide a snapshot of
>how the unit is doing but don't you sometimes wonder if there might be
>better ways of doing it. Our troop has been a quality unit since
>before the oldest Eagle was a tiger cub. I read the stats where only
>3% of the boys who enter scouting make it to Eagle. What happened to
>the other 97%..
The other 97 percent has have a great Scouting experience, but may not get
to Scouting's highest youth award. There's NOTHING wrong with that, Steve.
There are a LOT of great Star, Life and First Class Scouts that have went onward
to do some great things.
>The eight methods word but are so broad in nature that
>they are impossible to measure. We think they work but the only data
>we have is word of mouth casual observation.
>Have we used the same 8 methods for 85 years? Do we teach school the
>same way we taught it 85 years ago. Do we teach leadership the same
>way we did 85 years ago. Now I will concede that change is not
>necessarily improvement. But neither is maintaining the status quo
That's true, but yes, we have been using those same eight methods since the BSA
existed because they *seem to work universially*. One of the things that I
contend with as a national volunteer was the fact that the national staff
have things to "work in Peoria", in other words, to work just as well in our
Councils as well as the smallest Councils out there. There's a lot of good
that we can take or add from those eight methods; but we (the BSA) knows
eight has worked, will continue to work, in all cases in all localities and
types of Scouting units (Cub, Scout, Explorer, and all variations of the
>beyond your own unit or council, does anyone know where such data
Yes. The data exists at the National level, and your Council Executive can
a copy of the data from the Stats Service, which is part of the Council
Services Division at the National Office. We "minions" out here can't
really get a complete copy, although summaries can be obtained by asking. As
I mentioned, I haven't been able to get a copy of anything past 1992 from
them, and I've asked several times. However, my Scout Executive gets a copy
of the Tenure Report each spring when it is released.
The Tenure Report, along with other data, allows local Councils to
requests from foundations and other resources as well as to substanstiate
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