Re: (Finally!) Square Knots WWW page
Mike Walton ("Settummanque)
Wed, 22 Nov 1995 01:30:36 -0600
Don Toblin wrote:
>Good Job on the knots page. Looks like you have put a lot of work into it.
>Did the Arrow of Light Knot get changed over time? Yours is different than
>my AOL knot I have on my uniform.
The one that's illustrated is one that has the darker khahi background on
it, but it's just the same as the rest.
>I wear mine with the red thread to the wearer's right. My AOL knot has the
>green thread loop in front of the standing part, and the red thread loop is
>the in back of the standing part.
You have it upside down.
>According to the 1995 Insignia Guide, "Right side up. The loop of the
>embroidered square knot that comes in front of the standing part is always
>to the wearer's right..."
If you look at the way it would look compared to other knots, you can see
that it's upside down. Compare the AOL knot you have against the Medal of
Merit, the James West, or the old Silver Award knots which all have
constrasting colors as part of their design. In all three cases, it is the
"distinguishing color" which is worn on the left side, which the BSA
National staff find hard to explain.
The "distinguishing color" (the best explaination is the " "lighter" of the
two colors") is usually white, gold (yellow) or red. That's the best way to
find out if you are wearing a knot "upside down" or "upside right". It
doesn't help much for the Tiger Cub Leader's Award knot. The second best
way (my way) is to see where the "bump" is...the place where the rope comes
OVER the two strands. In all cases, that "bump", as illustrated on the
Whitney Young knot (where the white rope is over both strands) is on the
wearer's right side (as you are looking at it). This can also distinguish
the "side" that the knot should be worn on.
>We have my AOL knot on exactly as is pictured in the 1995 Insignia Guide, I
>checked on Alan Houser's Troop 24 knot page at
>and his AOL knot looks just like my knot, but it is the opposite of what you
>have scanned and displayed.
There are a couple of errors in the Insignia Guide, and that's one of them.
The AOL should be worn with the red side on the left side and the green side
worn to the right side.
Look in the current Scoutmasters' Handbook, in the section illustrating all
of the square knots. The Green side is the side that should be worn to the
Just to make sure, I'll call the BSA's Insignia guys at the first of next
week and find out for sure if they didn't switch the knot's appearance on
me. If so, I have a lot of shirts to replace.
Glad you're enjoying the page! Good uniforming is important to the
continued success of Scouting....and it makes you feel like a winner!
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