Re: Fwd: Knots people wear
Mike Walton ("Settummanque)
Mon, 20 Nov 1995 02:22:58 -0600
John Shotwell wrote:
>I have read the discussion on knots and I thank Mike Walton for answering my
>question about adding medals to awards. I have a couple of other questions
>and if they are FAQs Mike Walton will let me know. Why is the District Award
>of Merit knot an overhand knot and not a square knot like all the other
Good question. Two or more Districts make up a Council, so in the logical
design of the knot, the overhand knot was chosen since half of a square knot
(or a granny knot, depending on the way you tie it! *grinning*) is an
> Are they any new knots coming out soon that scouters can earn?
Yes. Keep your eyes open toward the middle of 1996. I think that the
"powers-to-be" have finally ironed out some issues between the Boy Scouting
members and the rest of the
membership of the BSA's Uniform and Insignia Committee. I can't share the
rest, mainly because the person I've been expecting a report from has been
quite ill and hasn't been able to do much else except stay at home.
>national ever make the Commissioner's Key and the Scouter's Key dissimilar?
Nope, because both keys historically are tied to that "Key" concept, and old
hard, I'm afraid. Eventually, there will be a division between the FIVE
(there's also an Advisor's, a Skipper's and one for the Exploring Service
Team Member/Commissioner) Keys, but I don't see it happening any time soon.
The main reason why the Cub Scouting program broke away from the rest of the
"Scouters' Key/Scouters' Training" awards, John, was because of the intense
lobbying made on behalf of Cub Scouters everywhere by the members of the
National Cub Scouting Committee. Fern Hutchens, a longtime member of that
committee, was one of the main "instigators" that insisted that since the
Cub Scouting program involved MORE adults than the Scout and Exploring
programs, it was important to the future success of Cub Scouting that those
adults be recognized sooner, with ALL leaders (the past awards were limited
to the Den Leaders, Den Leader Coach, Assistant Cubmaster and
Committeemembers, and the Cubmaster)
able to work toward their *own* award, and without the cheesy "mini medals",
that the BSA should work on a new set of awards --and knot emblems for them.
That's how we got the Cub Scouter Award, because in a large part, those
non-Commissioners that serve on Roundtables and do other District and
Council Cubbing tasks didn't have an award to earn under the old "system".
Many of those folk ended up with Council-created awards to recognize their
long and hard work, and many more didn't get anything at all! The Cub
Scouter Award is designed for ANY registered Scouter that works with Cub
Scouting units or the Cub Scouting program for two years. They DO NOT have
to be registered with a unit, but they MUST have Cub Scouting-related tasks
at the District or Council level.
>am going to be doing a presentation on knots at Roundtable in a few months
>and it would be nice to share this information with Scouters.
I am working on the finishing touches to the Square knot Web Pages, and have
uploaded them temporarily to see what the finished product looks like. One
of my biggest problems has been in insuring that the most current design of
each knot is there, that it is "upside right" and that general information
about how to wear the things (if you choose to do so) is current. I'll make
the announcement on Tuesday if everything goes right, and also announce
where it is (along with everything else temporarily stashed there until I
can get more time to do a better job with it all!!!) that I've placed them.
Webmasters, please DO NOT link it to your sites yet! I don't want to go
having to announce several dozen times where the pages are until my boss can
confirm that our machines will be here on Friday, that they will be
configured, and as part of my contract with them says, that I get 36MB of
storage space for my own "personal stuff"
(which means mostly, the Leaders' Online stuff).
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