Re: Leadership CorpS
Bruce E. Cobern (bec@PIPELINE.COM)
Fri, 3 Nov 1995 18:21:38 -0500
On Nov 03, 1995 09:13:20, '"Jeff L. Glaze" <jglaze@SUBASIC.SCIATL.COM>'
>I don't see the problem. Our Troop has always had a broad spectrum of
>the program as defined in Scouting literature has worked with no problems.
>do have a number of older boys in our Explorer Post, but they still
>in the Troop performing as Troop Guides, Instructors, JASM, etc.
Okay, so do we, 44 strong, right now we have 4 in 12th grade, 3 in 11th, 10
in 10th, 12 in 9th, 6 in 8th, 4 in 7th, and 5 in 6th. (I know, a little
top heavy.) But our troops are the exception, not the rule. We could
probably have enough older scouts to have multiple Venture activities going
on simultaneously so that all eligible scouts would be taking part in one
of them. However, what does a troop with 5 Venture age scouts do with the
1 or 2 who don't want to take part in whatever the others choose?
How does a 15-20 boy troop have a new scout patrol, 2 or more regular
patrols and a Venture crew? There just aren't enough bodies. That is much
But again, since Venture is designed to include a floating base of Scouts
based on the particular activity du jour, what do you do with Venture aged
Scouts who don't want to participate in that activity? Are they in a
patrol? As a leader? Or do they just hang out with no affiliation?
Personally, I think that, for the country as a whole, the Troop Operations
Plan was very, very poorly thought out and totally unworkable for a large
number of our units.
So, now, if you can't, for whatever reason, make the TOP work in your Troop
what do you use instead if you want to faithfully deliver the BSA program
for your Chartered Organization? I believe that, when it comes to the
structure of the program, the volunteers must use as much of the structure
as works and improvise the rest.
>I certainly agree with you there, although we currently use the new Scout
>patrol, no one is enamored of it.
We do not have a feeder pack so our recruits tend to arrive one or two at a
time. Therefore, we integrate them into the patrols, usually the patrol of
the friend who brought them down. (Yes, you can recruit by having your
members bring down friends.)
>I guess I find that the "labels" are also important, at the very least as
>frame of reference when dealing with folks from "all over" the US. Many
>have never heard of LC, and would look at you with blank face wondering
>it came from... I agree with the intent as stated in your above
I don't disagree that we probably have to use current TERMS, but how we
define functions is much more flexible.
>As I have already stated, we retain older boys with the program as
>by BSA with little or no problem. The key is as you say, to offer the
>and activities that interest all. I just believe that uniformity of
>across BSA is an important feature of BSA success.
As you can see from our breakdown above, we also have no difficulty
retaining older Scouts, without using any of the "official" older boy
program. The key is in what you do, not what you call it. If uniformity
of structure is important for the success of the BSA then they had better
design a structure than can be uniformly applied. The current one cannot.
Bruce E. Cobern
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City