Re: SCOUTS-L Digest - 30 Oct 1995 to 31 Oct 1995
Jim Smith UT (jsmith@SAREK.OSMRE.GOV)
Wed, 1 Nov 1995 07:36:05 -0700
> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 10:01:00 -0700
> From: George Crowl <WILLIAMM@ZIAVMS.ENMU.EDU>
> Subject: Girls in BSA
> After watching the discussion on girls in the BSA for a couple
> weeks during the last surge of interest, I became curious. I ran
> a very informal, unscientific survey at my Cub and Scout
> roundtables, asking if the leaders wished to have girls in the
> Cub and Scout programs.
> I was surprised! About 90% were opposed to girls in the BSA.
> This was true for both Cub and Scout leaders.
> I think that we may be a different breed of cat here on-line, and
> our views may not be representative of the majority of our
> leaders in the trenches. There may be a long period of
> adjustment before the majority of our volunteers are ready to
> accept the idea of coed Scouting.
> I wrote a letter earlier on the topic to the Chief Scout
> Executive and received a reply that they are continuing to
> research and evaluate the issue. My straw poll may be just one
> reason that they are reluctant to try coed Cubbing and Scouting.
> My personal point of view is pro coed Scouting, based on 15 years
> as an Advisor to a coed post, including seven coed Philmont
> treks. However, I seem to be out of step with the other leaders
> in my district. Therefore, since we depend on volunteers, I will
> be less vigorous in espousing this viewpoint.
> ____'/____ George Crowl
> VV / \ UU AA, X226
> /318\ Cncl Tng Chmn
> / 402 \ Wood Badge CD
> /|||||| \ Double Eagle
> | Clovis, NM
First of all, would girls in Boy Scouts and Cubs improve the program and
further help the youth receiving benefits from the current program?
Would girls in Boy Scouts and Cubs degrade the program and
alienate some of the youth receiving benefits from the current program?
Would girls in Boy Scouts and Cubs make no difference to
program quality and to the youth receiving benefits from the current program?
Everyone could adapt and survive with girls in the Boy Scouts and
Cubs. There would still be a top quality program with good leaders,
organization, etc., etc. That's not the question or problem.
I've said it on private posts and restate it here for everyone:
IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT!
The BSA isn't worried about losing boys, leaders, support, etc. to the
USGSA. The BSA isn't worried about being able to do it's job (not that
there aren't hundreds of problems in carrying out the program every day.).
If girls are turning their backs on the USGSA and pushing for admission
the Boy Scouts and Cubs, and NO boys are pushing for admission to the
USGSA, which program needs to be reevaluated? Which program will suffer
greatest harm, perhaps disappear, if girls are admitted to Boy Scouts and
It's the USGSA that needs to be fixed, not the BSA! Once the
USGSA is delivering a program on par (not necessarily quality as much as
meeting the needs and expectations of the youth) with the BSA, then the
question of merging, combining, consolidating, or whatever can be seriously
James D. Smith
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City