Pimaree Meican/US Scout Camp Long Post
Chris Haggerty, Sierra Vista, Arizona (CHAGGERTY@ARIZBPA.BITNET)
Fri, 27 Oct 1995 07:38:00 MST
Hey, all USA Scouters can read about it in the October 1995 Scouting
Magazine. In addition, here is some more information straight from a member
of the 1996 PIMAREE Committee.
Yes, Rodger Morris asked for it, so blame him for another one of my long
posts (YOU'VE BEEN WARNED). ;-) Since I am in charge of publicity, I will
give you a little bit of a teaser. First, I went to a couple (one in Mexico
and one near San Diego) of the Mexican-American Camporees held along the
California/Mexico border during the mid 80's. They were fun events, but very
different from the Pimaree.
The biggest difference is the format. The Pimaree (so called after the Pima
Indians which were on both sides of the border in this area) is a WEEK long
even, not a weekend Camporee. Many Scouts come with their buddies from their
units, but unlike a Camporee and more like a Jamboree, the event is made up
of provisional Scouts. There are competitions, events, activities (depending
on who is doing the planning - Mexico or USA - but it is not primarily a
competitive event like a Camporee would be. Keep in mind, we are dealing
with provisions troops and provisional Patrols.
What really makes the event unique is that it tends to be small (200-300)
Scouts and we try real hard to make it an equal number of Mexican and
American Scouts. Troops are made up of US Scout and Mexican Scout Patrols.
In some years the Patrols are even made up of combined US and Mexican Scouts.
(We had one such Patrol at the 1994 Pimaree in Mexico.) The whole event is
designed to be more an intimate, rather than just a close, encounter with
The 1996 Pimaree will be in Sunnyside Arizona. Do not look for this town on
your map unless you have a detailed topo map. It is a Ghost Town, and our
council's newest Camp (currently under a two year lease). The site is
located Southwest of Fort Huachuca (Sierra Vista) Arizona in the Huachuca
Mountains. The dates are July 14-20, 1996.
The fee is not yet set (guess $120-$150 for US Scouts, $80-$100 for Mexican
Scouts), nor are many of the other details. Please let me explain. First it
has traditionally been a local even. BSA Scouts from Southern Arizona and
Mexican Scouts from Sonora, Mexico. Consider your BIG centers of population
in these two areas. Tucson (up to about 700,000 people) and Hermosillo (not
sure but it is NOW bigger than Tucson). Certainly not the population you
could get from San Diego/Orange County/LA basin area with the
Tijuana/Mexicali/Ensenada area. That is one of the reasons why the event is
200-300 Scouts, instead of the 1800 which attended the International Camporee
along the border between California and Mexico. Also, for the effect we are
trying to get, it is important for us to try and get equal numbers of Mexican
and US Scouts.
Because it tends to be a local event, we do not have to publicize it a year
in advance. Besides, very few people in this area are willing to commit
until the last minute (if then). It is something strange about this area, we
have trouble offering week long Woodbadge courses, everyone wants to take it
and plans to sign up, but they will not do so until after the cut off date
required by National. Then they complain about the course being cancelled.
(Yes, there are ways to fix this, them, but the practice continues.) The
event is also established. The first one being in 1961, so the veteran Scout
leaders already know about it.
It is local, so the planning and logistic are not too extensive. In fact, I
think our biggest logistics problems this year will be coordinating with the
Camp Staff. The last half of the week is used by our camp staff to get ready
for Summer Camp (The First weeks of Summer camp are at our other Camp.) The
Pimaree is staffed by volunteers (with a DE or SE advisor), not by the Summer
Now for the bad news. Since this is a small local event, participation from
outside of Catalina Council has not been encourage in the past. I was told
last time around not to push it too hard because we wanted to provide this
opportunity to the Scouts in our Council first. Think about it, there is
space for only about 100-150 US Scouts. I know there are troops out there
that are almost this big.
After the bad news comes the good news. During the last two years I have
been on staff, there was plenty of space available for more US Scouts. I
know this has been going on like this since I moved to the area in 1988. I
would like to get the committee to agree on a date when applications would be
accepted from out of Council Scouts if our quota was not filled.
Unfortunately, I see this date as being Late April or maybe even as late as
May. Worse, this year I am in charge of promoting the Pimaree. (So-so jobs
in the past may have been responsible for the low turn-outs.)
What all this means is that we have a special, even unique Scouting event
going on in Southern Arizona and Sonora Mexico. Two years ago we had Scouts
from as far South in Mexico as Mazatlan. Last year we had Scouts from as far
North as Phoenix (hey, I did say it was a local event!). However, the
Chairman on the US side last year is from Canada (he lives in Tucson), so we
also flew a Canadian Flag. Since I expect my wife to help out on staff this
year, maybe we will Fly a Colombian flag with the US and Mexican flags this
year. (Unless she gets her US citizenship before then.)
If you are interested in attending, keep in touch and be ready for the roller
coaster ride while you wait to see if we fill up our quota and have space
available. I think some will be there, we just might not be able to confirm
it until late Spring.
Yours in International Scouting,
Chris Haggerty, District Advancement Chairman,
Cochise District, Catalina Council, Sierra Vista, Arizona
Instructor Trainer for Water Safety, American Red Cross, Ft Huachuca Station
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