Discontined MBs and Other Items (Long)
Bruce E. Cobern (bec@PIPELINE.COM)
Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:17:13 -0400
On Oct 18, 1995 22:34:18, I wrote:
>I am going to come down on the other side of this. I know there is some
>ambiguity but I believe the answer is no.
Well, I followed up my post with a call to John Dalrymple, the staff
advisor to the National Committee on Advancement. Here is a report of the
various items covered in my conversation:
First, according to the advancement committee the rule about discontinued
mb's is the same as the rule they have always followed, ie.: Any Scout who
has commenced working on one of the discontinued badges prior to 9/1/95 may
continue to work on the mb until his 18th birthday. Scouts may NOT begin
working on these badges after 9/1/95.
I mentioned that I recalled reading something in Scouting Magazine (I
believe, because I can't put my finger on it, can anybody help?) which
could lead one to believe that a Scout could work on these badges until
supplies ran out, regardless of when he started on the badge. I was told
that nothing that came from the advancement committee said that and the
possibility was offered that it was in response to a letter to the editor
of Scouting, the answer to which might not have been checked with the
committee. Was it?
I was told (part of my conversation was with an assistant or secretary in
the office, before John got back to his desk) that an attempt would be made
to make sure that future change announcements included this policy.
Second, I asked about Scouts that already had Swimming MB (without CPR) and
will now work on Lifesaving MB (also without CPR). I asked if there was
any transition policy and John said there wasn't. However he indicated that
I was the first person to ask that question and that this had not been
considered by the committee and was probably an oversight. He said he
would discuss the question with the committee but at present these Scouts
have just "fallen between the cracks" and hopefully will encounter CPR
training in connection with another part of the program. Nothing sinister
here, just an oversight. I also pointed out that if the rationale for
eliminating CPR from Lifesaving was that it was included in Swimming, then
the same rationale would apply to Whitewater, which requires Canoeing, and
CPR could be eliminated there. He agreed, another oversight.
Third, I indicated there were rumors that mb's would be added before 9/97,
the next scheduled revision date for the Requirements Book. His answer was
that this was true and that Crime Prevention and Archaeology MB's would
probably be released in 1996. He did, however, say that the committee had
decided to revise the book annually and there would be a 96-97 version out
next summer, in spite of the indication that the current book runs through
8/97. The new mb's will probably be introduced then, although I got the
impression that it could be earlier.
Fourth, Crime Prevention and Climbing (to include both climbing and
rapelling) are scheduled for release in 1997.
Finally, in case anybody had noticed that while 7 of the 8 discontinued
mb's have been eliminated from the new Advancement Chart and Insignia
Guide, Agribusiness still appears in both. I confirmed with John that,
just as originally posted on the 'net', the original list to be dropped was
only 7 and Agribusiness was the last mb added to the list. (I just wanted
to confirm that I was not going crazy. :-) ) John mused that this might
have been because the chairman of the committee, in addition to being an
attorney, was also involved in agriculture. <vbg>.
Well, that's it from the National Office on the advancement front. Sorry
for the length of the post but I hope you find it interesting.
Bruce E. Cobern
Advancement Chairman, Dan Beard District, Queens Council, NY
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City