Re: SCOUTS-L Digest - 7 Oct 1995 to 8 Oct 1995
James A. Sheckels (JASHECKELS@AOL.COM)
Mon, 16 Oct 1995 23:58:04 -0400
On 16 Oct Chris Scwartz ADC Patuxent Dist, Nat Cap Council poses questions
about Webelos supervision.
He did not say, but I assume the questions are related to camping/overnights,
since he did mention a camporee....
The Health and Safety Guide (#34409) states that two registered adult
leaders, or one registered adult leader and one parent of a participating
Scout, one of the two being 21 or older, must be with the unit on all trips
or outings (page 3).
Section D "Camping", starting on page 9: "Webelos Scouts (fourth and fifth
graders) may participate in council operated day-camps and resident camps and
in overnight den or pack campouts with adequate parental participation".
The Tours and Expeditions guide (#33735) on page 3, in a section titled
"Webelos Den Overnight Camping" states in part "In most cases, the Webelos
Scout will be under the supervision of his father or mother. However, if a
parent can't attend, arrangements must be made by the boy's family for
another youth's parents (but not the Webelos leader) or another adult
relative or friend to be a substitute at the campout. It is essential that
each Webelos Scout be under the supervision of his parent/guardian, or
appropriate substitute." This is stated in pretty much the same exact words
in the Cub Leader handbook and the Guide to Safe Scouting.
:-& :-s :-))
As with all rules and policies, lower echelon entities (region, council) can
add to/make more restrictive, but cannot exempt/ignore. (Notice I left out
District - they really can't make policy, they are not a separate entity, but
are an arm of the Council - I'll get flamed for saying that ;-).
Now, as to the "one on one", which is never really stated that way in the
policies. the policy is "parent, guardian, or appropriate substitute...".
Now, if a family has three Webelos children on an outing, do they need a
third adult? This is not in keeping with the spirit of the policy. If the
"other youth's parents" agree to supervise, does this mean they can only do
so if the one-on-one ratio is maintained? I don't think so. The Webelos
leader and the adults participating need to ensure that "adequate"
supervision ratios are maintained. This may be one-two, or possibly even two
adults for one Cub, if the Cub needs it! Use common sense, make it an
exception, not a rule. The adult agreeing to substitute must determine if
he/she is able to provide adequate supervision for all youths under their
Thirty years in Scouting has taught me a few things, some not being stated in
policy, but inherent nonetheless: 1) Scouting is not an exact science (can't
be - no fun if it is); 2) Use your brain (no one else is); 3) As long as it
is safe, legal, ethical, and morally correct, you will be right 99% of the
time (that one % requires policy quoting or a judge to give an answer)!
So, be safe and have fun!
YIS Jim Sheckels I used to be a Bobwhite....
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City