Re: BSA Policy: The Internet
Settummanque, the blackeagle (waltoml@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU)
Thu, 31 Aug 1995 21:28:02 CDT
Of all of the ways that I feel that THIS FORUM has furthered the
public and inter-Council (and inter-organizational) lines between
Scouters, and between Scouts and Scouters, the memo from the National
Director of Operations (for the Chief Scout Executive) has demostrated
that SCOUTS-L (and other forums) WORKS!
I can understand ScoutPro's situation, better than most of us here.
There has been many times in the past, in which I have released parts
or complete policies while "closely holding" the others. For this, I
was jeered and told that in this enviornment, you can tell us all and
"everything will be okay". While I do not presently work for the BSA,
it is hopeful that someday I will return to fulltime work and perhaps
serve as a 41 or 44 (District Executive or Exploring Executive) in a
"full service District".
Mike perhaps feels now, that it's not a good time to test the limits
of the National Staff (although his local Council staff, the folks
whom hired him and can fire him, supports TO A POINT -- and Mike
supports where his limits are as far as what his Council Executive and
Director of Field Services says -- what Mike has contributed here). As
was explained to me a while back, what Mike McDonald was doing was "no
more than what he would share at a Roundtable meeting, except that he
is now "crossing Council lines" and that SOME Executive out there
would not want his volunteers to know that he's NOT "providing the
promise" of supporting the volunteer!"
I for one, would welcome Mike's (and others') continued sharing and
providing us all with what ANY District Executive, District Director or
Senior District Executive provides his or her volunteers: the SAME
information in which he presents or provides to his OWN District
volunteers. I would not want Mike to lose his position within the
profession (folks, its REALLY ROUGH ON A PERSON WHEN THAT HAPPENS,
ESPECIALLY WHEN HE OR SHE FEELS THAT THEY ARE DOING THE BEST THING FOR
THE YOUTH AND OTHER SCOUTERS!!), but I don't see how sharing information
with other Scouters (whom in turn, post it to a forum like ours) would
interfere with his ability to manage a District or to work with other
He just will NOT be allowed (as I have been doing) to place his own
"spin" or "perspective" (which I have really enjoyed reading, by the
way, Mike!) on various issues that we could not jointly as a group
come "to grips on". I think that this was the SAME limitations placed
on other professionals coming here: that what they say reflects their
OWN personal thoughts, opinions and frame of mine and NOT the BSA
(only now, he won't be able to point to a BSA reference like some of
us can...how unfair *sorrowful frowning*!!!!)
(...yeah, I've looked at my copy of the Scout Executive's Code once
again. I still think of participation here and elsewhere as an obligation
to volunteers rather than a "disobeyance" of the BSA's rules and regulations.
(Whenever statements by the CSE are posted, it is considered part of
the BSA's Rules and Regulations that professionals must follow; hence
ScoutPro's internal "tug-of-war"). Remember that the memo states that you do
this all without being an "agent of the BSA". Therefore, you can report what
you have stated to your volunteers (as long as what you state here is what
is said there) in this forum. It's like me attending your District Committee
meeting, taking copious notes (complete with BSA stock numbers) and reporting
it here on Scouts-L.)
"HENRY S. HEINE" <hheine@WELCHLINK.WELCH.JHU.EDU> writes:
>I hope that Mike will continue to relay that information to us.
>I have found his information useful in addition to watching the reaction
>of my DE when I ask him about something that he hasn't seen yet. He has
>come to depend on me to relay some timely information that he's not
>getting as quickly. By the way he showed me that memo and we both laughed
>about it.I believe that what National is really concerned about is the
>relayying of false or misleading information. I would think that as long
>as Mike or any other professional out there specifys what is fact and what
>is their HO there should not be any problem.
What National is really concerned about is the move from written
communication, which is one-way and is forced downward, to electronic
communication, which is multi-pathed, and is forced not only downward,
but upward and sideways as well. When the existance of not only our
list, but Arrow-L and APO-L were announced during this summer's
Philmont Conferences, many career professionals were suddenly placed
"on alert" that many of their volunteers now know more about what was
going on in their Council and Nationally than they did (or wanted them
Arrow-L proved to the National Order of the Arrow Committee
that Council of Chiefs' meetings (those meetings between all of the
Section Chiefs, the four Regional Chiefs, the National Chief and Vice
Chief and the professional and volunteer chairs) can take place
WITHOUT the professional or volunteer chair NOR without all members
being in one physical location. That, I was told, unnerved some
senior professionals at the Irving Center.
When time after time during the Philmont conferences, volunteers were
asking "when is the BSA going on-line like the rest of us?", only to be
told the "line" that "we're working on it", that further made a lot of
old-timer Pros uneasy because for the first time, volunteers were talking
program, membership resources, volunteer transfers and even percentages of
total available youth WITHOUT the benefit of professional "coaching".
At the same time, when younger senior professionals like Forrest
MacVicar and T.J VanHooten state that the existance of groups like
ours have "improved the process of getting and gathing information
about the applicability of program and program options" (taken from a
statement that Forrest told the Exploring Committee in the spring),
and when Scouters at our National and Regional offices get copies of
our impassioned postings, positive things happen. That's something
that we can be all proud of and I hope will continue to occur. As
long as we approach each new change as challenges and continue to do
what our charter states, to "share information, ideas and techniques"
with each other, I don't think it will matter if the information comes
"officially" from Mike (which I want it to continue!) or from "other
sources" (the way I get much of what I report here and elsewhere).
Mike has to decide what's best for him, his family, the local
Council there in Big Mass, and the profession as a whole. I
personally will support him in whatever he chooses, and if that means
that he has to only "observe us here", then we'll all know you're here
and we encourage you to continue to share your personal observations
and stories with us.
We're keeping your place, as our "Roundtable Executive", around the
Grand Fire, and I salute you -- and the other five professionals (we see
you all there!! *heeheehee*) -- for your willingness to not only read
what is here every day, but also for your contributions as individuals
and as professional members of the BSA.
Mike, I want to personally thank you for your personal bravery all
through this process. I am very hopeful that the BSA WILL see that
electronic communication is not going away, is beneficial to both
professional and volunteer, and is essential if we are going to "keep
pace" with the youth we advise, coach and work with.
Settummanque, the blackeagle... (MAJ) Mike L. Walton (
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