Re: Double Counting Service Hours
David Scammell (David_Scammell.Orlando_spg@XEROX.COM)
Thu, 17 Aug 1995 08:16:09 PDT
In response to several comments about my statement 'if and only if ...'
As stated in my message, this 'belief' is based on many discussions over the
years at various Scouting functions (i.e., District Roundtables, JLT Sessions,
Basic Leader Training, Scoutmaster Fundamentals, Woodbadge, Troop Committee
meetings, Troop JLTs, University of Scouting, OA Meetings, etc.). In these
discussions, the final agreement was the one I stated in my previous message
(and I did not lead the majority of the discussions. For many, I quietly sat
back, listened and took notes).
Okay folks, this next section is a game of 'Devil's Advocate' and is going to
have excerpts from different discussions I have heard on this topic. Remember,
these comments are also from SCOUTS, as well as Scouters. You're welcome to
play along ... but PLEASE READ EVERYTHING AND DO NOT PICK OUT PHRASES, BUT THE
CONCEPTS BEHIND THEM.
Scouting not only teaches Citizenship, but many other ideals and strengths
as well. In today's world, too many children are allowed to simply ... float
through life. As a Scout, one serves as a shining example to all who know him.
As an example, the Scout should always be willing to 'Do Their Best'.
If a Scout is capable of doing multiple projects (and most are), then that
Scout should do the multiple projects.
To look at it from a Scouting perspective, with each rank a Scout earns, he
is elevated to a slightly higher plateau, with the final being Eagle. If you
cannot use Service hours from other functions for Eagle, then why the lower
If a Troop is truly active and functioning correctly, then the Scout should
be able to attain the Service Project hours (for non-Eagle ranks) from Troop
activities. (This one was recently repeated on SCOUTS-L)
Another part of Scout development is learning responsibility. Service
project hours is a portion of learning responsibility ... the Scout is
responsible for working those hours. Why should he be allowed to use hours
from another source, in which he was already credited? Does this give unfair
advantages/disadvantages for some Scouts who are REQUIRED to do Service project
hours elsewhere (say Church) and those who are not required. The Service
project hours at Church are part of that Scout's religion and the Scouting
Service Project hours are for Scouting. Although we have Duty to God &
Reverent, the two (Scouting & Church) need to be seperated at the point of
The main point is that if a Scout is 'credited' with Service hours
elsewhere, he should not be allowed to count them towards Scouting. For
example, a Scout is REQUIRED to work 20 Service hours at School and only works
20 hours ... don't credit him. If the Scout works 28 hours ... then credit him
8 hours towards Scouting.
If you let a Scout take shortcuts now (double credit for a Single Service
Project), then what kind of message are you sending him? How will he handle
future activities? Will he use one research paper for multiple classes?
Plain and simple, SCOUTING PREPARES A SCOUT FOR LIFE. He can survive in the
city or the wilderness. He has leadership skills, team skills, speaking
skills, research skills, a good work ethic, camping skills, intuitiveness,
troubleshooting skills, and many other functional and conceptual skills. Most
Scouting functions serve MUTLIPLE purposes. In this case we are talking about
Service Project hours, which help teach some or all of the following:
Citizenship, Responsibility, Working as a Team, Leadership, Work Ethic, as well
as points of the Scout Law (Helpful, Friendly, Cheerful) and Scout Oath (to
help other people at all times). Depending on the project, the Scout might
also learn that one person CAN make a difference!
As a leader, ask yourself this ... What type of future am I preparing for my
I do agree with the fact that it is ultimately up to the SM to decide. I also
realize that not everything is cut & dry and that there are special instances
... I am firm, but not stubborn! <smirk> So, if you are a SM, please take the
time to decide as wisely as possible.
Well, I guess that's enough instigating for now. Think I feel strongly on
David L. Scammell
ASM Troop 227 - Orlando, FL
Eagle Scout - OA Brotherhood
West Orange District - Central Florida Council
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City