Re: MBs and the Handicapped Scout
Jay M. Thal (Jay_M._Thal@HUD.GOV)
Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:46:05 EST
In reply to Scott:
No Scout, irrespective of condition need take Pioneering MB.
But for discussion purposes, why can't someone else be his
hands? He could even instruct a blind Scout through the
process. Pioneering is one of the approved alternate MBs
for Eagle under the Personal Fitness, Swimming, Sports
catagory - but so is Orienteering MB, and there too, another
Scout could provide the "hand" skills under instructions.
In repy to Jay Thal:
Addressing Scouting and the Handicapped is an extremely delicate question when
requirements and ability to do them are involved. I ask that the following
question is taken for the sole purpose to re-evaluate this discussion.
How can a scout with no hands(as stated by Jay Thal) earn, I emphisize EARN the
The sole exception I can forsee is that the Scout uses his feet to tie the knots
These are some pretty tough questions, unfortunately they have to be addressed.
Yours in Scouting
Scott Morley ASM
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Subject: Re: MBs and the Handicapped Scout
Author: SCOUTS-L Youth Groups Discussion List <SCOUTS-L@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU> at
Date: 8/2/95 11:17 AM
On Tue, 1 Aug 1995 14:00:43 -0400, "Bruce E. Cobern" <bec@PIPELINE.COM> writes:
> I don't have it here at work, but I do believe that the answer to this
> question appears in Advancement Policies in the discussion of Scouts with
> handicapping conditions. If I recall the book says that in order to earn a
> MB a Scout (even those with handicapping conditions) must meet all of the
> requirements without modification. If a Scout cannot complete all of the
> requirements for a required MB he is to complete as many as he can (but
> does not get the badge) and then also complete a substitute badge.
On page 21 of "Advancement Policies and Procedures":
"All current requirements for an advancement award (ranks, merit
badges, or Eagle Palms) must actually be met by the candidate. There
are no substitutions or alternatives permitted except those whch are
specifically stated in the requirements as set forth in the current
official literature of the Boy Scouts of America. No council,
district, unit, or individual has the authority to add to, or to
subtract from, any advancement requirements. The Scout is expected to
meet the requirements as stated--no more and no less. Furthermore, he
is to do exactly what is stated. If it says, 'show or demonstrate,'
that is what he must do. Just telling about it isn't enough. The same
thing holds true for such words as 'make,' 'list,' 'in the field,' and
'collect, identify, and label.'"
Fred Rogers <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Tioga District Advancement Chairman
The words are one thing, the meaning (intended or otherwise)
and interpretations are another. Traffic Safety MB doesn't
address helmets and bicycling, Cycling MB does -- the words
need not be limiting, this isn't computer code. If someone/
a Scout has dysgraphia or no hands [yes, I've seen the movie
"My Left Foot"] would you insist that they "write", "list",
"label" to demonstrate their knowledge? I'd except a
recording, a transcription of their words, etc. I'm trying
not to confuse the package's content with it's wrapping.
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City