Bruce E. Cobern (bec@PIPELINE.COM)
Thu, 27 Jul 1995 15:46:44 -0400
On Thu, 27 Jul 1995 "Dr. Steven C. Myers" <R1SCM@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU> said:
>On Thu, 27 Jul 1995 12:16:44 -0400 Bruce E. Cobern said:
>>No board is supposed to be retesting skills.
>But in the case presented of a Tenderfoot BOR, there was evidence
>of skills never have being done. This is vastly different than
First, the post to which I replied had no quotes or context references and
I do not remember reading any of the notes in this thread which referred to
any specific board or review situation - unlike the "Advancement
Requirement" post to which I also responded.
Therefore, my response was primarily to the differentiation of the Eagle
board from others, which I reject. I also agree with Matt that had there
not been some sort of testing going on a deficiency might never have been
detected. On the other hand, it is appropriate to ask a Scout at any board
what he did to meet a certain requirement. (This is, of course, different
than asking him to duplicate the requirement.) In this case, the purpose
is to check up on how the program is being administered.
If his response indicates that he hasn't met the requirement then I see
only two alternatives, neither one of which is to "fail" the scout at the
b/r (or even defer him). First, as I asnwered to the other post, you could
pass the scout and deal with the problem subsequent. Second, and probably
preferable if the requirement were a substantial one (like first aid as
opposed to patrol yell), would be to discuss it with the Scout to the point
that he realizes that he hasn't met the requirement and CHOOSES to go back
and complete it before he completes his b/r.
There is a standing philosophy that the boys should not suffer for the
error of the adults. Thus if he went to the SM and did what the SM asked
for a particular requirement the b/r shouldn't second guess the SM and deny
advancement to that particular scout based upon it. Instead the b/r should
approach the SM to correct the problem prospectively.
Bruce E. Cobern
Dan Beard District
Queens Council, NY
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