Re: Positions of responsibility
Settummanque, the blackeagle (waltoml@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU)
Wed, 19 Jul 1995 00:29:50 CDT
Hi Mary Lee! Long time no hear!
Mary Lee Foley <MFOLEY@UTNET.UTOLEDO.EDU> writes:
>We have two boys who have been First Class for a long time. One was
>appointed chaplain's aide last spring; the SM asked the other to keep
>track of grocery expenses for a sailing trip in June and told him to speak
>with me about being treasurer for the troop if he was interested. Both of
>them finished the merit badge requirements for Star at camp last week.
>Now the chaplain's aide thinks he's 'really close' to the time needed for
>Star and the other one announced that he has finished his first month as
>treasurer. We haven't even discussed the duties yet, since his
>announcement was the first clue I had that he was interested!
>Neither of these boys attends meetings or troop activities on a regular
>basis. They have other interests which take a lot of time during the
>school year, so they come to a couple of meetings in late May, attend
>summer camp, and begin the school year with us. The rest of the year,
>we only hear from them if someone calls to let them know of an
>interesting activity. (Our troop usually shuts down in August, but this year
>we're going to try to continue meetings and 1 or 2 activities.)
I've talked with Stan Krieger on this very issue over on the OTHER
Scouting forum off and on this spring. Here's what I feel you need to
do and consider:
First, both of them should be ready for Star by the end of summer. By
not allowing your youth leaders to determine what consitutes
"participation" for the purpose of Scouting advancement (and THE YOUTH
members, NOT the Adult members, should determine this; we as adults
tend to make ABSOULUTES that do more harm than good), you have no
other choice than to let them "slide to Star".
Next, you need to meet with your Patrol Leaders' Council and come up
with an acceptable "participation parameter" for your Troop. My old
Troop came up with a good form:
100 percent attendance at Troop Meetings (30 minutes or more
50 percent attendance at Outdoor activities (one complete day
of a weekend constitutes "attendance")
25 percent attendance at Patrol Meetings (15 minutes or more
They wrote it that way because the Senior Patrol Leader, several of
the other Troop officers, and two other Troop members all had other
things outside of Scouting that they wanted to do, but at the same
time, really liked our Troop and Scouting. And after JT's escapades
with my former wife's car window, they wanted to "put the screws to
JT", since he was "qualified for Life" but didn't attend a single
meeting nor campout since he broke-danced on top of the car after a
Troop meeting, cracking the windshield. That is, until our spring
>I think that from now on we'll sit down with each boy to discuss
>responsibilities and expectations *before* he accepts a position.
I don't think that there's much that can be done with those two, but
by having your Troop to set up some simple rules, you can prevent
similiar "Okay, I've earned it"s from happening.
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