J L T Topics
Walter Gould (w4crypto@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Sat, 8 Jul 1995 07:02:14 -0700
Tim McFeely on 8 Jul 95 at 08:52:12 posed these questions:
(1) Are any of my esteemed list collegues finding a lowering of
standards in the basic Scouting skills. Or am I just blessed to be in a
council that has this problem.
(2) Has anyone had to deal with the Communicating with Adults
presentation? Do you have a problem with it?
(3) My last question concerns homesickness and a well worked over
subject - parental responsibility.
The first time I managed the course ("Founder's Development" in Nevada
Area Council) was in 1982 and was in a primitive, non-BSA camp setting
in the Ruby Mountains of northeast Nevada, with a staff which had never
even experienced the course. Thorough training sessions, twice the
number required by the syllabus had the staff fully prepared and
capable; the second time ("Oak Leaf" in Orange County Council) was in
1989 and was at a well established BSA camp in mountains north of San
Diego, California with a staff of which only two had previously had the
Question 1: With the 1982 class: It may be that the problem has been
there an awfully long time, since of the 64 learners, at least two in
each of the 8 patrols were very lacking in required skills; in the
1989 class, the ratio was similar with a 56 learner class. My thought
is not enough attention is paid to these skills by some troops -- that
some troops routinely sign off when the skill has not been adequately
Question 2: To my fading memory, neither the 1982 nor the 1989 course
had any trouble with the tasks in the syllabus but I attribute that to
intense training of the staff. Those consid ering the course might
well consider at least two extra staff training sessions, concentrating
one on basic needed skills and how to teach them, and another on the
communicating with adults and project planning (big dinner).
Question 3: We had no unresolveable "homesickness" problems with
either two groups, so there may be a deterioration in parental
responsibility, which might be handled in a parent meeting (we held
only Scoutmaster meetings after signup; possibly parents should have
been included; the newer syllabus may provide for this).
In the staff training stage, planning by the adult staff has to do more
than just ensure that each syllabus item has been covered -- but must
anticipate other problem areas, both known and unforseen.
It seems to me that you made a wise decision to add the eighth day to
reinforce basic skills, but would seem also to allow for settling in
and patrol adjustments.
I too am very interested in responses by others who've had this
experience, since I'm crazy enough to think I might want to do it
I believe "Scouting means Sharing"
Orange Frontier District
Orange County Council, California
(my credentials, if ya' think they're important)
Arrow of Light 1949, Tenderfoot 1950
Vigil 1987 (Genachgihat), Life Member Tannu Lodge
Wood Badge 1981 (I used to be an Owl)
Distinguished Commissioner (Bronze, Gold, Silver)
15 years Commissioner Service as Unit, Assistant District,
District, and Assistant Council Commissioner
Doctorate of Commissioner Science
Award of Merit, Silver Beaver
Course Director for Junior Leader Training, Nevada Area and
Orange County Councils
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