I'm BACK! With some _stale_ BSA responses, too!
CHUCK BRAMLET (chuckb@AZTEC.ASU.EDU)
Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:26:13 -0700
Whew! This has been a rough couple of weeks!!
No, I didn't get a job in Siberia, or eaten by a bear at Camp Granada. Nor
did I unsubscribe and dissappear into the bit-bucket. I'm _finally_ finished
with the job-search seminars and the other junk, but I am finding that my
time to read Scouts-L has become _very_ limited. You don't realize how
much time this takes, until you are on a 60 minute time limit. :^) And
I just got caught up from being 8 days behind....
I also_ just found out that the messages that I have been sending people,
including several posts, have been going into the "bit bucket" due to a mail
system error that I didn't catch (until last night). :(
(It was either "Equipment Smarter that Operator", or "Operator Smarter that
Equipment", I don't know which. In any case, the problem has been solved. I
think. :)_x )
Now, to comment on some stale old topics: ;)
On OA elections, I have to agree that something was wrong, if none of 44
eligible(?) boys was elected. However, having said that, let me relate a
story from our Troop's last election.
We had 3 boys eligible for OA. We'll call them Bob, Joe, and Fred. The OA
elections team came to the Troop meeting, and conducted the election. When
the election was completed, the SM was told that while Bob and Fred had been
elected, Joe wasn't. But, Bob and Fred had the same number of votes, and Joe
had only one vote less, a very small difference between the three. Then, the
team leader mentioned that 4 of the ballots cast were blanks, meaning a vote
_against_ all the candidates. Our SM felt that this was not correct somehow,
mainly because there were 4 brand-new boys in the Troop, and they didn't know
any of the candidates. The team leader then indicated to him that if he
could find just one of the boys who cast a blank ballot, and if that boy had
intended to abstain, rather than voting against all of the candidates, then
he would throw out that ballot, and all three boys would then be elected.
The one boy _was_ located, and _had not_ intended to vote against all the
candidates. So all three were elected. The main problem here is that the
boys either just didn't listen to, or understand, the instructions.
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City
Regarding placement of the US Flag, the flag _is_ placed to the speaker's
right, i.e, the left side of the front of the room, from the audience's
perspective. BTW, did anyone realize that there is an "Office of the
Flag"? I didn't, until last Roundtable.
I _do_not_ support requiring a Webelos Scout to turn in an application to
join the Troop, as part of the Arrow of Light reqs. We lose the boys fast
enough as it is, and such a requirement already conflicts with the Boy Scout
joining reqs. I believe that it has already been mentioned that if the boy
is in the Fifth Grade, is 10, and hasn't earned the AoL, He's not eligibe to
join anyway. So why make him turn in the application?? He would just be
turned down, and that might be worse.
Now, as far as limiting the Vigil Honor to youth members of the OA, why
stop there? Why not limit an adult member to "Ordeal" membership. In
fact, why not the keep adults out, entirely? After all, it's a _Boy_ Scout
organization, isn't it?
IMHO, wrong! Within the OA, adults have the same oportunities for service as
the youth members. Why should the adult leaders be deprived of recognition
for _their_ service?
That ties nicely into the general discussion of adult awards. I have 4
Square Knots. I wear three of them on my uniform; a Knot each for my AoL and
my religous awards earned as a boy; and my Webelos Den Leader Award. I
haven't yet sewn on the Knot for the Scouter's Training Award.
A leader's uniform is his "walking resume'", if you will. The service stars,
the Square Knots, the "Trained" strip, the Wood Badge Beads. All of this
tells other Scouters exactly _who_ you are, _what_ you have done, and _what_
you are capable of in the organization. If we should not wear the Knots,
then why should we wear the Beads?
Just my $0.02.
Chuck Bramlet, ASM Troop 323
Thunderbird District, Grand Canyon Council, Phoenix, Az.
I "used to be" an Antelope! (and a good ol' Antelope, too...) WEM-10-95
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