Re: What are TRUE eagles
GM-13 Stephen Hoar (hoar@AGDIS01.NEWARK.AF.MIL)
Mon, 12 Jun 1995 10:36:02 -0400
In your message of 12 Jun 1995 at 0923 EDT, you write:
> Steve says:
> >Now that they are
> >Eagles, if they really want to BE a TRUE EAGLE, they have the duty and
> >responsibility to demonstrate what they have learned and show their
> >leadership in helping the younger scouts. Failure to do so shows that
> >they may have attained the rank but have not yet become true LEADERS.
> >Its like the corporate, political, or military worlds where there are
> >hoards of managers with degrees but precious few real leaders.
> TRUE eagles? Our scouts have lives outside of the troop and will continue
> to have seperate lives after 18. Is the eagle award, just about what they
> do in the narrow world of scouting? Why do we require a community service
> project? Why not substitute a scouting service project? We are here to
> help prepare scouts for life, not spend our time judging the quality of
> thier eagleness.
> We've had 13 eagles in troop 56 in the last 17 years. As we have had about
> 500 scouts in that time, that is a little below the national average. My
> problem is that I can't figure out which ones are TRUE eagles and which ones
> are FAKE eagles. Most went off to collage within a year of becoming eagle,
> then on to other parts of the country. We live in a small college town in a
> otherwise rural area so few return here after college. They are a computer
> programmer in northern Virginia, a vetrinarian in North Carolina, a symphony
> musician in California, a college professor, etc. Most are starting thier
> own families.
> Sorry about flaming, but I disagree with any and all attempts to add vague
> requirements to any advancement, whether before or after the BOR.
> Advancement is a method of scouting, not an aim.
> Dan Brown DABROWN2@VT.EDU
> I used to be a fox
> Dan Brown ASM Troop 56 Blacksburg VA
> New River District, Blue Ridge Mountains Council
In responding to Ron;
It seems that I may have touched a raw nerve in some folks on what it
really means to be an Eagle Scout. I've seen too many "eagle
Factories" where the boy is pushed through to Eagle by age 13 or 14,
stands around in a daze at the Eagle presentation ceremony, and
disappears when he goes to High School. Too ofter I have seen the
father reliving his scouting life through his son. (much as happens in
sports). To draw an analogy, in the military there are many officers
but there are precious few leaders.
Too often I see troops where the scoutmasters measure their worth by
how many Eagles they produce or process. Is this the point of
Scouting? I think not. What is the old saying 'self praise is no
praise'. Scouting is for the Boys...not for you. It is not a measure
of your adult worth and not supposed to be a reliving of your youth.
Go ahead and tell me how good you are with how many eagles you
produced over a set period of time...I'll not be impressed.
No one ever spoke about 'fake'eagles until you introduced the term. I
was talking about leadership. I was also talking about older scouts
being tolerant of new scouts and not ignoring them because they are
young and disruptive. The older scouts somehow forgot that they were
once young and disruptive. We adults should help them to remember
this and help them to remember that one of their responsibilities as
an older scout is to help the younger scout...no matter the age.
Sorry about the return flame but for some reason you reacted with
scorched feathers to my concern about lack of applied leadership.
'Old Enough to know better
But too old to do any better'
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City