Thanks from the newbie
David J Wynne (djwynne@IOL.IE)
Wed, 7 Jun 1995 02:45:46 +0100
Just a note of thanks to all who pointed me to the right path to recover
material for my wife's Brownie Pack. Thanks for taking time in true Scouting
Spirit to help
Now that I have made such an ass of myself I reckon that I had better do
something about introducing myself.
I am a Venture Scout Leader and Group Leader with the 33rd Dublin (Sandford)
Scout Group in Dublin, Ireland which is part of the Scout Association of
Ireland (SAI). Venture Scouts are the senior branch of Scouts on this side
of the Atlantic. They cater for 15 and a half to 21 years old boys and
girls, after they leave Scouts and Guides. My group of 24 tend to operate
as a structured youth club, with one out of every three events being a
'social' activity. Also I make a point of trying to finish our activities
up back at the Parish Hall, where we can sit and drink coffee for a while
and chat. It is important for the leader to keep a LIGHT hold on the reins
in these discussions, just to make sure no one gets hurt by chauvinism or
other critisizm. Our other two events are always Scout based - usually one
is training or planning the other an activity.
There are two Scouting Organisations in Ireland - The Scout Association of
Ireland, which is non-demoninational and to which I belong and the Catholic
Boy Scouts of Ireland. The latter are seeking to change their name to
Catholic Scouts of Ireland as both organisations include girls in all
levels of the programme. The SAI is divided into Regions, Districts and
Groups. Each group will have a combination of Beaver Teams (6 - 8 years);
Cub Scout Packs (8 - 11 years), Scouts Troops (11 - 16) and Venturs Scout=
My Group has Beavers, Cubs, Scouts and Venture Scouts and form an old Group
which has been sponsored by a Church of Ireland (Anglican) Parish. We use
the local School buildings for our meetings. This is a state run
multi-demoninational school managed by the local Church of Ireland Parish
and the charge is basically to pay for light and heat and this is fairly
representative of any Irish Scout Group.
The Scout Group is run on a non-demoninational basis. We do not require
Scouts to have specific religious afiliations, but they must be able to
accept 'god' in the promise. However, all members of the Group and their
parents are invited to attend the Church for one Annual Parade Service in
May each year which is followed by an outing for all members of the Scout
and Guide organisations.
In addition the Rector asks us and the Guide Company to provide 6 members in
uniform to participate in the annual Eucmenical Thanksgiving for Harvest
and Christmas Carol services. It is usally very easy to fill these posts
from regular members of the Roman Catholic and Church of Ireland Parishes
so no one is offended. Again all members and their families are invited to
attend these events and many do, even to the extent to attending only these
services every year.
The 33rd Sandford Scout Troop was founded in February 1918, and is the 8th
oldest Scout Troop still in existence in the Republic of Ireland.
When the Troop was founded, it was presented with the Flag of the late 17th
South County Dublin (Portobello) Scout Troop which had closed in 1917. The
flag was an exceptionally fine one of Purple with gold appliqu=E9 emblem and
lettering. They also adopted the purple scarf of the 17th.
The Troop (and Group) has a very interesting history, and this has been
well researched and written up by Mr. Dermot James, who was Scout Leader
from 1950 to 1974 and Group Leader until 1980, in his book "The Purple =
The Troop has camped in Powerscourt Estates, at Enniskerry in Co. Wicklow
since 1927, and were visited there by Baden-Powell during his visit in
1928. During the 1930's many Troops built permanent huts on their sites.
One of the most famous structures on the Sandford site was Tarzan Lodge
which was erected by the Scouters and Rovers in August 1934. The hut which
measured 9ft. by 11ft., was situated about 30ft. above the ground. Tarzan
Lodge was finally taken down at the end of May 1939. However, a single spar
remains nailed to one of the trees at the entrance to the Sandford Camp
Site to show where it was located.
We have been involved in several international events over the past few
years and camped in Gilwell Park in London at Easter.
I was active on the Scouting forum on CompuServe for the last two years but
have only recently got an Internet Account and subscribed to Scouts-L.
Thanks again for your assistance.
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City