Re: lock back knifes?
Robin Galbraith (robin@ROBINSG.DEMON.CO.UK)
Tue, 6 Jun 1995 22:28:38 GMT
In your message dated Monday 5, June 1995 you wrote :
> Can't talk about USA , but here in UK a court has defined lock-blade
> knives as " offensive weapons " . It was a County Court ruling and
> not been appealed , but at present that is the state of the law.
I'm sorry to have to disagree here but the law in England on
"Offensive Weapons" is very much a grey area and not as clear as you
In the first place a _County Court_ deals with civil and not criminal
matters and cannot make a _ruling_ on such matters.
Secondly, The Prevention of Crime Act 1953 and subsequent acts;
Magistrates' Court Act 1980, Public Order Act 1986, Criminal Justice
Act 1988, Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 make it very 'clear'
(muddy - in my reading) that "reasonable excuse" is a defence against
a charge of carrying such a weapon in a public place (There is a good
argument that a Scout Camp Site is not a public place).
In other words a Scout using any sort of knife at camp, or at a Troop
Meeting, who has a legitimate reason for using the knife is not liable
to be prosecuted. There is even a defence to carrying a "Flick knife"
see _R.v.Simpson_ although the legal comment on that case is
The rule I give my Scouts is that they may carry a "pen-knife" (in
fact I suggest that they should!) and that at camp they may have for
use (but not wear) a sheath knife. This follows the UK
Policy,Organisation & Rules which also allows the ceremonial wearing
of a "dirk" if the Group uses a kilt as part of its uniform.
Robin Galbraith (SL)
12th./15th. Newcastle Scout Group
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City