Re: Scoutmaster Training Certification - Long
golden cliff (c60clg1@CORN.CSO.NIU.EDU)
Thu, 11 May 1995 01:02:04 -0500
On Wed, 10 May 1995, Marc Solomon wrote:
> I am still
> confused by your comments on Wood Badge though. Do you think that after
> Wood badge they would never need to be recertified or that Wood Badge and
> similar trainings could take the place of SMF to be recertified?
I believe that Wood Badge and similar trainings would take the place ot
SMF to be recertified. I don't believe someone should need to take the Wood
Badge course over, that's a major undertaking.
> To play the devil's advocate here, do you feel that
> SMF is sufficient training to take Scouts camping? It has been three years
> since my SMF training but I do not remember being taught there all I feel is
> needed to provide adequate safety for the Scouts in all situations that can
> occur while camping.
I beleive SMF is designed to introduce Scouters to the fundamental ideals
of Scouting and the basic components of a successful Scouting program.
It is not designed to give leaders advanced outdoor skills or create
expert woodsmen. You make a good devil's advocate. Does SMF provide
sufficient training to take Scouts camping? My answer would be no, not
in itself. Add the resources of Woods Wisdom, Boy Scout Handbook, and
the Field Book, which SMF emphasizes as valuable resources, and that no
might become a yes, depending on the type of camping situation. You also
add the resources of a good Unit Commissioner, District Roundtable Staff,
and other knowledgeable Scouters as additional resources and even a green
leader should be able to manage a simple car campout.
> Should we not allow newly trained Scouters to take
> Scouts camping because they are not sufficiently trained in First Aid, Youth
> Protection, Cold Weather Camping, and Emergency Preparedness?
Philmont now requires one adult on each trek to have current first aid
certification and CPR. I think that is an excellent idea. I also have my
Scouts attending CPR training this month. If CPR is needed,
it will be one of us adults needing it.
To answer your question, yes, newly trained leaders should be allowed to
take Scouts camping. There is a danger of overegulating the program. Do
we have a problem now with safety issues on camping trips? In my area
the safety record is excellent.
> That is why a strong Commissioner's Staff and a strong Council and District
> Training Committees are essential! The Commissioner's Staff to see where
> unit's need guidance, to provide some of that guidance, and to inform the
> Training Committee what type of trainings that are needed.
In addition to being a Scoutmaster I also serve as District Commissioner
so I understand the system and support it fully. I am in complete
agreement with the above statement.
> While I am not opposed entirely to the idea of recertification, I still do
> not believe that the SMF course is the proper venue for such
> recertification. If the purpose of recertication is to keep Scouters up to
> date on changes in policy and procedure, it can be done quicker in a one day
> seminar. If the purpose is to provide complete training for Scouters, then
> SMF is insufficient.
I believe part of the purpose of SMF recertification would be to update
Scouters on changes in policy and procedures. Another goal would be to
utilize experienced Scouters as mentors for new leaders through staff or
as a part of a patrol. It would also serve to review the vision of the
Scouting program. Even seasoned veterans can use an extra shot in the arm
now and then.
Maybe a one day course might be an option some districts could elect to
follow if it better serves their local needs.
I'm not sure what you mean by "complete training". I don't think any
training is ever complete. Education is a continual process. We are
always learning new things and building upon our knoweledge. SMF is not
an end in itself but rather a beginning.
You say you do not believe SMF is the proper venue for
recertification. I'm sure you must have some other options in mind. I
would be interested in hearing other ideas.
My original post and subsequent posts were not meant to be a
proclamation, but rather a dialogue. I appreciate your feedback
even when I disagree with certain points. I'm interested in your ideas.
Please share them.
YIS, Cliff Golden
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City