Dan Linton (dan@LECHUGUILLA.AUTOSIM.COM)
Wed, 10 May 1995 09:46:13 +0700
On Tue, 9 May 1995, "Paul H. Brown" wrote:
>Could I ask whether anyone actually gets enuf from the ward budget to
>cover the above items? If so, how many outings do you do per year? At
>what approximate (yearly) cost per scout?
>What percentage of the above amount is spent on the young women? (My wife
>made me write this!)
Yes we do get enough from the ward budget to cover the cost of campouts,
registration, advancement badges, food etc. with the following exceptions.
We campout monthly. Three times a year these are the district or council
overnight camps. These are the most expensive camps excluding summer camp
approx. $4 - $5 per person just to attend, this does not include the regular
expenses of a campout. The remaining eight camps are very low budget
outings with the most expensive part being the campsite costs. We are a
typical LDS troop as I have been reading about here. We leave for the
camps at 4 on Friday and return anywhere from 2 to 5 on Saturday. The
patrols plan their own Friday dinners. The troop provides Saturday
Breakfast and the boys provide their own Saturday lunch. Depending on
what the boys plan for we purchase *some* of the dinner and all of the
breakfast. In addition the boys will often just decide to bring tin foil
dinners if they aren't trying to fill any type of cooking requirement.
Also in Utah there are a number places that you can camp with
no campsite fees (on BLM land). In addition while the ward will reimburse
all the costs of the adults (gas, food, etc.) most of the leaders, me
included, don't worry about it (hey it's a tax write off). This also
applies to any boy. If a parent has a problem with their son being asked
to provide a bag of potato chips etc. we will gladly reimburse them (while
this doesn't usually happen it does from time to time).
At this point you get into the whole point of the LDS wards paying for
the program. No boy should be excluded from any activity (church or BSA)
due to cost. The bottom line is we can camp eleven times a year with
the ward paying the bulk of the costs.
I'm sorry but while I participated in requesting the young mens budget
(I'm the Deacons Advisor, Assistant Scout Master) I can't give you numbers
without doing some research. As for the young women they got a bigger piece
of our wards pie last year. I would assume that they did this year as well.
I have been following this LDS thread with interest. Now I have a question
for other LDS troops. I have been hearing about troops that have large
numbers of non LDS boys in their troops. How do you deal with the costs
of scouting where you can't request funds from the non LDS scouts? My
troop has 2 non LDS scouts out of about 12 and they are treated the
same as any other scout in the troop. But I am assuming that the larger
the number of non LDS scouts the less money there will be to pay for the
program. One other observation, I have been involved in scout troops in
Salt Lake as well as Detroit, LDS troops are formed within a wards
boundaries. In Salt Lake this means that I have a troop that comes from
an area of less than a square mile, while my troop has 12 boys some may
have as few as 3. This is nothing like the 50+ troops I read about here.
In Detroit our troop covered at a wild guess 100 square miles with about
16 boys and I don't remember the LDS non LDS mix. How do those troops
that are ultra small deal with the patrol method? Does the scouting
program work at all? Do some of you have multi ward troops? All of the
wards I have been in have been young wards with a lot of youth so I have
only heard about this.
For those non LDS scouters following this thread here is how the program is
paid for. LDS members are asked to pay a full tithe (10%) of their increase
to the church. The church uses this money for the expenses of the church.
Each ward is then given a budget based on how many people attend our main
Sunday service. This means in theory that all wards receive the same
amount of budget per capita to pay for ward programs. The wards Bishopric
then allocates these funds to the programs that need it. So while the
wards all receive the same funds per capita where it is spent is different
for each ward.
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