Re: Scoutmaster Training Certification - Long
golden cliff (c60clg1@CORN.CSO.NIU.EDU)
Tue, 9 May 1995 01:08:58 -0500
On Fri, 5 May 1995, Marc Solomon wrote:
> At 12:32 AM 5/5/95 -0500, golden cliff wrote:
> >I think you miss one point. Recertification is not ONLY
> >about updating people on changes. I doubt there are many annual changes in CPR,
> > First Aid, Safe Swim, or
> >Safety Afloat. We still need annual recertification. We need to review,
> >resharpen skills, and be reminded of their importance. Are the
> >fundamentals of the Scouting program less important to us. Are they
> >worth a few days every five years.
> Luckily for me, I have had few incidents in my life that have required my
> use of the knowledge I learned in CPR, First Aid, Safe Swim, or Safety
> Afloat programs. Therefore, taking a refresher course in these to keep that
> knowledge fresh in my mind is important. I use the knowledge I learned from
> taking Scoutmaster Fundamentals every week. It stays fresh in my mind
> because of this continual reuse.
Very good point. But, it is possible for a Scouter to gradually get off
track. I use the analogy of a well sighted rifle. It needs to be
recalibrated on a periodic basis. A small bump here and there will, over
a period of time, accumulate to an instrument out of aim. We are
vulnerable to the same effect. If a Scouter moves on with more advanced
training, then I agree, he shouldn't have to recertify in SMF. It's the
Scouter that does SMF then plugs along for years without any additional
training that I'm concerned with. That is where the aims of Scouting can
be lost or dulled by a complacent leader.
> >I just helped staff a SMF course last month. I've been a Scoutmaster for
> >18 years, I wasn't bored at all by the course. It was review for me, but
> >I still picked up a few things. Few of us are so knowledgeable that we
> >can't learn something from our fellow Scouters.
> Congratulations for serving on the staff. The reason I stated in my orignal
> post that a section of the review class should be a discussion section is
> that we always can learn from out fellow Scouters. if I did not believe
> that, I would not be on this list.
We definately agree on this.
> >I found it very refreshing to be around a group of eager new Scouters.
> >They were filled with enthusiasm and that enthusiasm was exchanged
> >between the staff and students throughout the course. I had some adults
> >from my troop taking the course. They were pumped up about Scouting
> >afterwards. Effective training is a shot in the arm for newbies as well
> >as experienced Scouters.
> I am sure that the review course I am suggesting could be just as much as a
> shot in the arm as taking the whole SMF course. During the last year, I
> have attended Wood Badge, a Commissioners Conference, and Lord Baden-Powell
> University. Each and every one of these events fueled my enthusiasm. The
> Commisioners Conference was just a one day review and was wonderful for
> bringing me up to date on various changes, refreshing my skills as a
> Commissioner, and learning from other Scouters and it was all accomplished
> in one day! Something like this is what I am recommending for Troop leaders.
Sounds like you've been busy. I meant to get to Baden-Powell University
this year, I had the application all filled out, but it didn't work out
for my schedule again this year.
> >That means we would have to offer two versions of SMF. Two courses,
> >Certification & Re-certification, requiring two staffs. That would require
> >training committees to work even harder. What is the benefit of a "short
> >cut" course for leaders? This recertification would only be once every 5
> In many districts, the SMF class is usually very full. To open it up to
> experienced Scouters would require offering a second course or having a
> larger staff. The review course I am proposing would not require as large a
> staff or a large a commitment for that staff as would offering a second SMF
I am in a very small district, 35 units, 15 are troops. We never have a
full SMF course. This year there was concern that we wouldn't get enough
participants to offer a course. Spreading out the Scouters into two
seperate courses would likely kill the recruiting efforts for both courses.
> When I took my Scoutmaster Fundamentals course, the Scoutmaster of the
> course suggested that instead of giving out the "Trained" patch to graduates
> of SMF, an "Exposed" patch should be given out, since the SMF course
> doesn't really train someone to be a Scoutmaster, it just exposes him to the
> Scouting methods. Of course such a patch would be misleading to the general
> public and therefore never used.
> I feel once someone has been "exposed" to the Scouting method, that person
> does not need to be "exposed" again. The next step would be to get more and
> different training. On top of the other methods I mentioned in my original
> post, there are the various manuals the Scouter was introduced to in SMF,
> the Wood Badge course, National Camp School, etc. . . All these methods plus
> the review or conference I have suggested should keep Scouting skills fresh
> and up to date for all Scouters.
I agree the next step after SMF should be more and different training.
SMF is a really just an overview of Scouting. But what about those
Scouters that think after SMF they're trained and don't need anything else?
Those are the leaders I'm talking about. If a leader continues on to
higher training, then I agree with you that SMF needn't be repeated.
> I strongly agree that Scouters need to keep these skills fresh and continue
> learning, but retaking a course designed to expose someone to Scouting seems
> redundant to me. Every training I have taken reviews the Scouting methods
> as a basis to building on what the participant knows. Lets not go
> backwards, lets go fowards!
I agree with you. We should go forwards and build upon previous
training. Those leaders that continue in training should not be required
to retake SMF. The leaders needing recertification are the ones that
don't continue building on their knowledge, but rather are stagnant.
Training should be either continued or recertified. My intent was to get
undertrained or outdated leaders to take recertification training, not
overburden well trained leaders with unnecessary review. The problem is
that the undertrained and outdated leaders never realize who they are.
YiS, > +--------------------------+-----------------------+
> | Marc W. Solomon | Unit Commissioner |
> | firstname.lastname@example.org | Sycamore District |
> | email@example.com | Blackhawk Council, IL |
> I use to be a wise old owl . . . Now I am just old
I apologize for the long post.
YIS, Cliff Golden
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City