Re: CEU's for Scouters
Settummanque, the blackeagle (waltoml@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU)
Thu, 4 May 1995 18:44:17 CDT
"Joseph T. Nairn 475-2229" <NAIRN.JT@A1.RIT.EDU> writes:
> I am not someone who knows how to extract from earlier messages so
> I hope that you all have read the messages I will refer to.
> Someone had the wonderful idea of using the medical model of CME's
> (Continuing Medical Education) hours as a way to ensure that
> Scouters stay current. As a university continuing educator, I would
> offer that the CEU (Continuing Education Unit) model would be an
> excellent way for scouters to keep "continuously improving" even
> after they have been trained for their position. The SEU's (Scouter
> Education Units) could be earned by attending Roundtables (maybe 1
> each RT) PowWows (5-6 depending on time spent in
> training/workshops) or any other scouting activity that involves
It's a super idea, Joe, but the BSA has topped this one better. Your
local Councils will no doubt be talking about this one this fall (and
I sure hope so). The idea is still circulating around as to how it
would work, and the last time I've talked with my friends at
National's Volunteer Training Service, the prevailing suggestion was
to "toss it to the field and see what comes of it".
The biggest problem that Commissioners and professionals have in
retaining volunteers is in getting them to train for subsequent
positions. For instance, there are lots of former Scoutmasters
serving as Unit Commissioners with the only prerequisite is that "I've
served as Scoutmaster of Troop 000 for x years, and I know the
District..." They have NEVER taken the Commissioner's Basic course,
never even perhaps attended a Commissioner's College or similar type
event, but yet...there they are, advising Scouters how to manage their
units based SOLELY on their own personal experiences (which isn't bad
in itself...it just lacks a little of that BSA "know how").
So, what National wants to do is to allow a one year "grace period" in
which Scouters must attend the training course corresponding to their
volunteer position. If you don't attend the training course within
the year, you don't get to reregister in that position until you do.
The BSA's registration software that all local Councils have, can
serve as the "data link" between attendance or not, with paper cards
serving as the backup.
Those that don't get to reregister can register to serve with the
District or Council Committee associated with their role or to a
position which has been coded as "not requiring
additional/supplemental training". This keeps Scouters in the pool of
volunteer Scouters while at the same time tend to increase the
experience and training levels of those working within units.
This would also tend to place "on their toes" those District Training
teams which in many areas of the nation, tend to feel that their jobs
are over with the fall and spring training "periods" instead of the
yearround training experiences which should be going on in all local
As you can see, there are significant problems with the execution of
such a plan. The largest would be "what happens after two or three
years of folks floating around from position to position without any
training?" followed by "do we HAVE to have everyone trained in order
for them to become "miminumly qualified" in their role?" and the one
I like, "Who's going to tell that 13 or 17 year Scoutmaster that he
has one more year to FINALLY get trained or he's out of that position
says BSA?" (not ME!! I've had enough of trying to convince stubborn
and pig-headed "drill sergeants" (they may carry the title Scoutmaster
but their program and their execution of that program is NOT what I
would call "Scouting"!!) to attend training and learn what Scouting is
REALLY about NOW!)
There are two National task forces working on this problem last year,
this year, and next year. One of them, headed by the Regional
President of the Western Region, is concentrating on ways that local
Councils have had successful training course attendance and what draws
them there; the other, headed by the Regional Vice-President of the
Southern Region, is looking at ways that we can get more volunteers
to attend training courses and events like
> The SEU's could be kept like the training awards and a little pin
> (like the devices used on square knots) could be earned as the
> Scouter amasses SEU's.
As a person that already has too much to wear, and as someone that is
very concerned about the "appearance" of "being in Scouting for the
badges and pins", I don't personally feel that many Scouters would
"walk up to the batter's box" for yet another thing to wear. The
current BSA practice of awarding CEUs for attendance at National
Camping School, Wood Badge and Philmont Volunteer Training Center
courses, should suffice at the most. Additionally, as what was stated
here in the past, there are more than 100 local colleges and
universities which would award undergraduate/graduate academic credit
for attendance at those events. Murray State University in this state
and there are three other schools are playing around with a two-year
Associate Degree program for Scouters, but there has yet to be not a
whole lot coming forth from that.
> CEU's are a common standard for many professions and jobs. Tax
> preparers, Real Estate agents, Nurses, and others often need CEUs
> to maintain their licensure or certification. The model exists and
> is a good one. I for one would view this positively.
Roundtable attendance is "creditible" toward training awards and keys.
Above the training awards and keys, Scouters should consider serving
as members of training teams to "share the wealth" of knowledge. As a
former District Commissioner, I heartely recommend that ALL Scouters
attend the basic course of their program once every five years, if for
nothig else, to serve as an example to those other Scouters that
"learning never ends".
I agree with you that CEUs are great, but I don't feel that we can be
placed on the same plane as many other professions. What we do, is
because we volunteer for it, and we don't get any tangible payment for
it. We don't receive a license for our roles, we are registered to
serve youth in our roles. The model is great...but I don't think that
Scouting as a whole is ready for it. Yet.
Settummanque!@HEY!! Is there anyone here from Chattanooga, Tennessee?
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