Re: BSA & Smoking Policy
Lucas James (jj@LDJPC.APANA.ORG.AU)
Wed, 26 Apr 1995 08:49:31 +0930
On Mon, 24 Apr 1995, Thomas Dillon Langley wrote:
> I agree with you 100%. common sence is, as you wrote, not as common as
> one would think. As I think back through my 16 years in scouting I can
> recall numeroius scouters that smoked, overate, snored to loud. Each of
> these have an adverse effect upon those around them. Are we going to
> tell those in our ranks that are overweight or snore to loud that they
> have to stop their destructive activites or leave. (BTW I am overweight
> and snore).
On the same hand, would you have us ask pedophiles to leave If they
didn't stop the pedophilic activities?
> Some of you might think that i am avouiding the issure, but
> I am not. Bfreaking the cycle of dependance upon whatever bad habit one
> has is extremely difficult. I can understand limiting smoking to outside
> of buildings, and the effects of second hand smoke, but to make a
> national policy of this nature is outright insane.
Why? You can kill kids (or severly damage them) by second hand
smoke. And encouraging them to smoke themselves (by your actions saying:
"Its OK to smoke") you could also kill or mame them.
> What are we going to
> do tell the leaders that they cannot have a smoke while away from the
> boys. Two summers ago I was a troop coordinator for the council summer
> camp. The scoutmaster of the troop, which happened to be from two
> councils away, had forgotten his sigaretts. While I took the boys on the
> usual tour and registration the SM left me and an ASM in charge of the
> troop. He was on the verge of a NIC FIT. That was not a pritty sight.
> After he got his sigaretts and had a smoke he was fine. I just cannot
> comprehend how HORRIBLE the week would have been for the boys the leaders
> and the staff that had to deal with this SM if he had been on a NIC FIT
> all week. This situation had the potential of loosing boys from the
> troop, loosing the leadership of the throop and possibly some of the
FLAME ON. ASPESTOS SUIT ON
Probaly would have done him an his family good if he went cold turkey.
FLAME OFF. ASPESTOS SUIT OFF
In the South Australian Branch says: (bits left out)
----start abeivated quote
The Scout Association amins to promote a healthy life style and as
such the habit of smoking contravenes that aim. Consideration for others
should be fundamental for all Scouts.
It is desirable for scouts not to smoke from the standpoint of:
1. Their own health
2. It is being a bad example to younger members
3. It has an adverse effect on good public relations espescially when
Joey Scouts, Cub Scouts and Scouts are not permitted to smoke at any
Venturers should be discouraged from smoking. if over the legal age
of 16, Venturers may smoke providing the Unit's rules permit this activity.
In any event, they shall not smoke on parade, when in uniform in public or in
front of younger Scouts.
Rovers and Leaders are not permitted to smoker on parade or when in
uniform on formal public occasions. They are strongly discouraged from
smoking in front of all other scouts.
At meetings of the Scout Association, those who wish to smoke shall
show consideration for those who wish to breathe smokeless air,
particularly within a confined space of an area witha re-cycling air
> Norm asks a very important question:
> > Can we afford to lose the Leaders who find themselves unable to stop
> > smoking, and who follow the Scout Promise and Law to the point where they
> > will leave Scouting rather than compromise their adherence to the Promise
> > and Law?
> People come on here. This is a voulunteer organization that cannot live
> without the time and effort of those leaders. Their smoking habbit
> should be a secondary concern.
Would you class a pedophilic habit a "secondary concern"? I think
not. Smoking can be as or more damaging as pedophilic activities (heck,
it can KILL you), yet you seem to brush smoking aside as if it were no
more than not blowing your nose.
> I konw that the smoking haddit is not one
> that BSA wants to expose or pass on to the boys, but how many of the
> leaders of our troops are smokers. This whole deal with restricting an
> individualr RIGHT TO LIFE LIBERTY AND THE PERSUIT OF HAPPINESS has
> gotten out of hand.
Huh? I would have though that banning smoking would be in the
RIGHT TO LIFE et.al.: A) you would live longer if you stopped smoking.
PERSUIT OF HAPPINESS: A) you would not be tied to a cigarette packed ($$$)
B) you would be in a position (physically) to enjoy
LIBERTY ? - you don't have any liberties if you are DEAD.
> This is a volunteer organisation that has to
> accomidate the leadership of the organization. Prohibiting the RIGHT of
> a leader to smoke responsibily is to be blunt anal. I am not professing
> that the smokers should have free reign with their habbit, but they still
> are American citizens that have the right to smoke.
Do they have the right to kill themselves? (In some states, maybee :)
> > Did anyone from National ask the volunteers for their opinions before this
> > was made into policy?
> Most likely NOT. If nationals had asked the volunteers about their
> oppinions on this issue, there would be amore accomidating solution than
> outlawing smoking.
> I anyone wants to flame me go right ahead. These are my feelings and I
> hope that nmationals realizes the flaws in this program.
Fair 'nough. Done. What flaws?
> I'm sorry for going into a ty raid on the tail of your posting, and hope
> that you will forgive me, but This is still a free country.
It is still a free country here, too, but there is a push to rid
Australia of smoking, for the most part. You cannot smoke in a
resaurant, most enclosed public places ban smoking. This is because: 1)
Smokers put a huge medical bill (which all tax payers pay for under our
system) on the country. 2) fear of passive smoking lawsuits.
BTW- I'm not a smoker, or a pedofile
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