Where the Guides came from
Anne Riddick (riddick_a@KOSMOS.WCC.GOVT.NZ)
Mon, 3 Apr 1995 09:30:30 +1200
Sarah Jones eloquently wrote:
>I also read in the New Zealand Guide handbook (and mabye Anne
>will back me on this, I hope!) that the Girls in New Zealand
>were called Girl Peace Scouts, untill 1923 when they changed
>their name to Girl Guides, and as to the reason why they were
>Scouts instead, I am unsure about. However, I do know it was
>not because of what was happening in the USA. New Zealand
>actually had the girls organized back in 1908 The same time
>the boys themselves were getting started.
I think we were probably called Scouts as this was the parallel girls movement
to Boy Scouts in NZ began before the Crystal Palace Rally. It was introduced
into NZ by a friend of Robert B-P called Col. Cossgrove. He started off a
group called (as Sarah said :) ) the Girl Peace Scouts. (Please note that as
this was before the Crystal Palace Rally the name Guides had not yet been
thought up so it was natural to follow namewise at least from the Boy Scouts).
We didn't change names until 1923 - possibly there was some resistance to the
name change which took time to overcome, and a certain sense of pride in our
history (after all they had been Girl Peace Scouts all the way through the
Great War) - I am just speculating as I am not sure and couldn't find anything
written - I do have a specific history of Guiding in NZ and will check it out
in there. Ultimately we did become Girl Guides and were a founding member of
the World Assoc. of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts.
As an aside:
I went back through 3 handbooks looking for a reason we retained the
Girl Peace Scouts name so long and the earliest of the 3 I have says that Col.
Cossgrove started the GPS in 1907 not 1908 so there is a minor discrepancy.
1908 is more likely to be right I think.
One other thing is that the name Guides came not only from the regiment of
soldiers in India, but also from "the skilled and famous mountain guides of
Northland Girl Guides; Province Training Team;Wellington, New Zealand
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City