Re: Troop Problem with Webelos Leaders
Chuck Bramlet ("ELL447::BRAMLET"@ECC6.ATENG.AZ.HONEYWELL.COM)
Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:33:16 -0700
Concerning the ongoing discussion of problems that some Troops
have had with Webelos Leaders in their areas, I would like to
make some comments or suggestions.
Where it concerns the problem of 30 or so Webelos graduating to
a Troop, has anyone considered that not all the Dens need to go
to the same Troop? If there are 3 Troops in the area, and each
is only able to handle 10 boys, what is the problem with dividing
the Dens so that only a certain number of boys visit each Troop
at the same time.
Obviously, such a solution is seriously influenced by how the
Troop reacts to the request. They can have an affect on this by
how well they exhibit a _willingness_ to take in more boys, or
accomodate Den visitations.
WDLs and SMs can also be very sensitive about the different
programs, and miscommunications can easily occur.
Here is what happened to me, as a WDL 5 years ago. When I first
became a WDL, I requested a Den Chief from the Troop. Sorry, the
Troop doesn't do Den Chief. I then "scouted" around for another
Troop to provide a DC, but found that most of them had enough of
a problem providing qualified DCs to the Dens in their associated
Packs, let alone providing one to an "outsider Den". That I had
asked "outsider Troops" annoyed the SM, who felt that I should
only deal with "his" Troop.
Come Camporee time, the Pack Committee informed me that "First
year Webelos Dens don't do Camporee". That, again, annoyed the SM
further, because he was planning on my Den being there. BTW, this
was the first year of the 2-year Webelos program.
By the time that I got into the second year, relationship between the
Pack and Troop had become so strained that we were barely on speaking
terms. Most of the problem had to do with personality conflicts
between the TCC, who was the previous PCC, and the current PCC.
When I got to the point of scheduling Den visits to the Troop, I
landed in the middle, again. It seems that the Troop had wanted us to
do the visits earlier on, and the PCC never passed the word. Also,
the Troop had wanted us to do the crossover in Feb or March, but by
the time I found that out, crossover was not possible untill April
or May. This conflicted with the PCCs plans of having the Wolf/Bear
graduation in April.
Then, there was the fight that my son got into with the SM's son,
at school, and his decision to not continue Scouting if he had to
join "that stinkin' Troop". I must admit, that the 3 visits that I
had taken the Den on had left me unimpressed with this particular
Then, come crossover time, I caught 7734 from the SM, because I had
decided not to join his Troop. I did graduate 4 of the 8 boys into
that Troop. In a private conversation several years later, a co-
worker found out that I had been a WDL with this Pack and asked me
if I knew such and such a WDL, as that WDL had caused the Troop to
fold. It turned out that he was talking about me, and didn't know
who I was. The SM had apparently planned on my joining the Troop
so that he could offload SM on me. All this without saying one thing
directly to me. BTW, the Troop folded because of a lack of registered
That was a number af years ago, and I am still annoyed by the amount
petty polittics that was played in that organization. I will also
admit to being an untrained leader. However, the "regime" at the
time did not encourage training. I wonder why. :^)
So, what's the point in my telling you all this? Just this:
Never assume anything. Make sure that you and the WDL or SM you are
dealing with understand exactly what your programs expect of each
other. If you are a SM, provide calanders out of courtesy. If you
are a WDL, ask for and _use_ them. NEVER let minor problems become
major through inaction or inattention. And LEAVE POLITICS IN THE
Chuck Bramlet, ASM Troop 323
Thunderbird District, Grand Canyon Council
I "used to be" (but stilll am) an Antelope!
(and a good ol' Antelope, too...)
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