Re: Philmont info. request
Bruce Haugen (BHAUGEN@NDSUVM1.BITNET)
Tue, 7 Mar 1995 15:23:02 CST
On Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:49:00 EST Scott Begin said:
>Alan Houser <troop24@EMF.NET> wrote:
>As a former Philmont Staff Member, I will caution you to use the correct
>terminology when you are at the ranch.
>The Rangers are the largest department on the ranch and their primary
>purpose is to train crews during their first 4 days at the ranch. The
>staff members you meet when you check in at a backcountry camp are
>referred to as Backcountry staff (or just staff).
>There are many non-Rangers who do not like being called Rangers, and
>depending upon their opinion of the rangers, may not be a hospitable as
>they might be otherwise (meaning just offering you only the minimum
>services, won't go out of their way to accomidate you).
>It is a bit of inter-departmental rivalry, somewhat caused by
>inconsiderate Rangers. The amount of resentment toward the rangers
>depends on the camp location, experience of the staff (where staff
>members had worked previously), and conduct of the rangers that summer.
I appreciate the information in your post, especially since this will be our
first trip ever to Philmont. Our boys are really looking forward to the
Something troubles me, though.
By the time we get there, our boys will have been through serious fund-raising,
and our adults will have had difficult discussions with their places of
employment trying to get three weeks off. This is the experience of a lifetime
and now we have to worry about the treatment we can expect based upon the
petty rivalry between staff and Rangers? It sounds to me as if there might be
a management problem. It also sounds like both groups are forgetting the peopl
e who pay their bills and for whom they work. AND, it sounds like someone is
forgetting a significant portion of the Scout oath, not to mention Scout spirit
I wouldn't want to over-react to this, and I'm sure you're offering good advice
but I trust that if the staff and rangers are treated courteously, whatever
they are called, that they will treat the scouts and scouters accordingly. I'd
appreciate your thoughts. E-mail me if you like.
Bruce Haugen, CC
Frontier Trails District
Northern Lights Council
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City