Re: Have You Lost Your Minds (& Hearts)? --Reply
Settummanque, the blackeagle (waltoml@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU)
Wed, 8 Feb 1995 19:05:11 CDT
John Oakes <joakes@UNM.EDU> writes:
>On Tue, 7 Feb 1995, Settummanque, the blackeagle wrote:
>> It's called "Procedures for Maintaining Standards of Membership" and
>> it's BSA #28-105. It is ONLY for professional usage and we "minions"
>> aren't *supposed to have a copy*
> Now has come the time to unveil the secrecy of this type of thing. By
>any chance is there a copy that can be (1) posted to the list, (2)
>xeroxed and mailed out, (3) an original?
Hmmmmmm... I got two copies here "bogarted", one from a fellow Scouter
that thought that I should have a copy of the main document, and the
ohter from a longtime Scout Executive friend of mine. Both said
"don't give it out....and don't tell them where you got it from."
The booklet runs 17 pages in length and covers much administrative
stuff in connection with getting the right volunteers to serve youth.
Your CE, John, may let you look at the booklet but I am very doubtful
that he would let you copy it.
The two biggest things are the "Letter of Denial" and the instructions
on how to carry it out...I *will* post that information to the list
overnight tonight. That's what everyone is concerned about...I don't
feel right about distributing something that a couple of folks asked
me not to (and in which I told them I wouldn't), particularily when
these two are doing key jobs in Scouting that can be taken from them
if the truth be known.
So I will honor my promise to them since they risked getting me a
I don't have an orginal copy, but every "senior executive" in your
Council (read that as meaning anyone above Field Director, District
Director, Exploring Director, or Program Director) has a copy. In
order to get a copy, they have to attend a professional session at the
Regional level. During the session, they learn how to use the
materials in the booklet, the parameters in maintaining the BSA's
standards, and view a videotape featuring the Chief Scout Executive
and the National Director of Operations.
I listed the BSA stock number on it, in that *rare case* that if you
or someone else wrote to National and request it, that someone would
slip up and send you a copy. The restriction notice is on the inside
front cover. I think that the ordering "division number" is that of
the BSA's Council Support Division, so that's where your letters
should go if you want to try.
> The more people that have this information the more secure we all can
>be against some of the tyrants out there that happen to work as
>Professional Scouting Executives trying to cover their butts. Afterall, it
>is the volunteers that take this program to the boys, and saying that...it
>is they who make a difference.
I don't know how secure one can be by just knowing that the BSA can
and does have the ability to dismiss volunteers at will. The booklet
don't really tell anything more than what has been discussed here,
with the exception of the illustration of the letter and the
implementation instructions (and I think that someone here told
some things about that too, earlier...).
> We have a good staff of professionals here at Great Southwest, however
>that is apparently not the case in other places.
Not just professionals....volunteers can also "recommend removal", but
it is the final say of the Council Scout Executive that determines
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