Re: Are you afraid? Read the Scout Law. Live the Scout Oath!!!
Settummanque, the blackeagle (waltoml@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU)
Tue, 7 Feb 1995 21:59:20 CDT
Gary Sherwin <sherwin@SUNSHINE.PGH.WEC.COM> writes:
> I am sorry if I appear to be judgemental, but when we allow the
>threats of evil minded and purposed people to become a deciding
>factor in our decisions as to whether we do our DUTY to God and Country,
>to help other people AT ALL TIMES, and keep OURSELVES physicaly storng,
>mentaly awake and MORALY STRAIGHT,
> WE CAUSE THE PROBLEM!!!
> WE BECOME THE PROBLEM!!!
> WE ARE THE PROBLEM!!!
> WE ARE TO BLAME FOR THE PROBLEM!!!
(personal account deleted only for space consideration, Gary)
> When I hear you people talk of avoiding liability because of
>it's damages it makes me sick. The general lack of moral outrage
>and responsibility found in todays culture are the cause of these
>problems. We do not live in a comfortable age. If more people
>would do the right thing, PERIOD and face the just or unjust
>consequences, THE GOOD PEOPLE COULD OVERWHELM THE PROBLEMS WE
>FACE in a month.
As Jessica would tell me when I tell her things which make sense but
do not play out in reality, "That's very easy and conforable for you
to say...but until you have been personally involved, you have no
idea of what you would do or say".
This applies here, Gary. I just posted twenty minutes ago a followup
to Steve Tobin's posting in which he, like many Scouters are doing,
questions whether or not the personal liability and risk of good
character weighs out the fun and enjoyment of Scouting and the ability
to develop and see young men develop into adults of good sound
personal and spirital character.
In my followup, I referenced a BSA guide to "eliminating the
undesirables" from our program, called "Maintaining Standards of
Membership". This is how the BSA has decided to eliminate those that
don't conform with what a local Council executive feels should be "the
This has NOTHING to do with blame, and EVERYTHING to do with the
morality of those in power deciding on the registration status of BSA
members and leaders.
For instance, there is a kid in Indiana that was thrown out of service
as Lodge Chief and as a member of a BSA unit merely because he chose
to wear his hair to his buttocks, and this irratated the Council
Executive so, particularly since the Chief was also a member of the
Council's Executive Board. In defense, the Scout was asked (and
politely refused to, because his girlfriend loved his hair the way it
was and his parents did not object to it) to cut his locks and when he
refused, he was asked to leave the program and a successful run as
Order of the Arrow Chief.
And there are several cases all over the nation whereby those caught
up in divorce cases or separations which were publicily contested or
which were public knowledge were also summarily asked to leave
Scouting just because their actions "did not exhibit those as
expressed in the Scout Law". Which part of the Scout Law?
I have personally have had a personal run-in with one Council
Executive that did not like the fact that I was married to a white
woman and wanted to "withdraw membership in the BSA..." After his
legal counsel convinced him that such a move would create lots of
problems with those few black units, he just asked me (and I agreed)
not to step foot in *his* Council again.
He was thrown out of the BSA a few years later (probably for trying to
do the same thing to someone else, I guess).
And there are those that *associate* with those the BSA local Council
says are "undesirable elements" and those people too, were "asked to
Nowhere in any of those examples, do I see anything that has to do
with them "causing the problems" or being able to be "blamed for the
What I (and several others) see, is the BSA trying to conform its
members to some standard which is NOT listed, NOT part of the tenents
of the program nor part of any of the written materials we signed as
volunteers or professionals.
THAT is not fair at ALL. That, Gary, not the lack of personal
responsibility, is what scares the pants off many volunteers and what
has spilled over in the 3.7 percent drop of adult volunteers over the
past couple of years and the frequent comment from Scout Executives
that "our good volunteers are not reregistering again, and telling me
that they refuse to be micromanaged and told to conform or else".
If the standards (as in the Scout Oath and Law) are written, explained
and enforced across the board, I have NO problems with that at all.
But when it's up to the Council Scout Executive (or his or her
designee) to determine the "moral standards of the local Council",
then that's where I have a great deal of concern, as others here have.
We're all trying to do the right thing for the youth in our
programs...but at the same time, we don't want to end up as
liabilities from a VOLUNTEER youth program.
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