Re: BOR & ASM's
Settummanque, the blackeagle (waltoml@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU)
Mon, 6 Feb 1995 23:21:16 CDT
(Rick, and many others out there deserve to know *why* the BSA does
things that they do, or *why don't they* do things the way we think
that they should. That's why I take a few more paragraphs (and
screens), to explain it as fully and clear as I can. My apologies to
those that feel that my longwinded explainations are not useful or
neccessary....I think that they are, and I *do* re-read and trim my
postings so that only the most pertinent information is forwarded, no
matter what the subject *grinning*.)
Settummanque, the blackeagle <WKUVX2::WALTOML> wrote:
>Rick Clements <rickcl@POGO.WV.TEK.COM> writes:
>>BSA policy says that Scoutmasters and Asst. can't serve on the board of
>>review. I can understand why the Scoutmaster isn't on the board; they
>>signed of the Scoutmaster's confrence. But why the ASM?
>Because the BSA says so.
Actually, Rick, the BSA is trying to eliminate ANY kind of coersive
influence in the advancement program. This is the main reason why the
Scoutmaster and his or her Assistants, the parents or guardians of the
Scout, nor any other youth member are allowed to serve as members of
Troop, Team or Post/Ship's Boards of Review. This is also part of
the reason why the BSA moved the Board of Review from a youth review
for Tenderfoot, Second and First Class from the youth members to the
adult unit committee.
I personally liked it better that the youth leaders of the unit served
as Board members for the first three advancements...but I can see how
that too, can be influnced and "shifted".
>>Before I was part of the troop, they signed most people up as ASM.
>>Then, they discovered that they had no one for the BOR. So, at
>>recharter they listed the ASM's are committee members. I am the
>>committee member that works with the new boy patrol and the troop
>>guide. This seams to meet the requirements but not their intent.
>>When I took Scoutmaster's Fundementals, they said not to register too
>>many ASM's. That seams to imply that what our troop is doing is
>>correct. But every time there is a discussion about BOR's, it still
>>feels like we are playing a name game.
>The BSA only wants a limited number of ASMs in a Troop.
The BSA only wants FIVE men or women at the most to serve as Assistant
Scoutmaster. Everyone else needs to be registered as Committee
Member. Why five? One serves as the "Admin ASM" and the other as the
"Logistics ASM". The other two serve as ASM-New Scout Patrol and as
The intent is to keep as few adults as possible from being in an
position to "do something negative to children". If you had a Troop
with 18 adults ALL registered as Assistant Scoutmasters, the ability
for one of those adults to harm a Scout increases significantly.
Therefore, if you had a limited number of adults *activily involved
with youth members*, your abuse risk drops significantly.
This is part of the reasoning why most Girl Scouting units have no
more than 14 youth members...and in those units with more than 14, the
Service Chair is advising them to split the Troop...even if the adults
involved can handle the large number of Scouts.
>>I'm planning to start a discussion on several points about the way we
>>do BOR's. (The biggest problem is untrained committee members who try
>>to retest the boys.) I want to clear on who SHOULD be on the BOR.
>The members of your Troop, Team or Post/Ship COMMITTEE, not the
>"commissioned officers" of your unit.
The Scoutmaster, Commissioner, and Assistant Scoutmasters are what the
BSA calls "commissioned members" of that unit. They are
"commissioned" by the unit's Commissioner or by the executive to serve
as adult members of the Unit. Everyone else, to include parents, are
considered as "associates" of the unit.
Associates assist the commissioned members in executing the youth
leaders' wishes. The members of the unit's Committee serve as Board
of Review members.
Take a copy of your unit's charter. Circle the Scoutmaster's name,
and five Assistant Scoutmasters. Everyone else listed *no matter what
the position code says* is a member of your Committee and are
"designed members of the Troop Committee".
>>On a releated point, I dug out my notes from training. I found two
>>different answers to the question of who can be on the BOR. The first
>>answer was they must be a registered Scouter. The other answer was
>>they must be registered with our troop. We have several people who are
>>active members of our committee, but they are registered with a pack
>>and not our troop. Are they legal?
The BSA says that Board of Review members for all advancements
including Eagle must include "members of the unit committee". This
implies registration or dual registration as members of the unit's
Committee. So, yes, they must be registered with your Troop.
The other part is you *can* be members of more than one unit (called
dual registration or dual-hatting, depending on where you are), as
long as you establish ONE PRIMARY REGISTRATION. The BSA says that you
cannothold two or more registrations anymore. The one that you have
PAID MONEY FOR is your PRIMARY REGISTRATION (and the one in which you
wear the shoulder loops for). Everything else is secondary to the
So, those members of the Pack's Committee that want to serve as Troop
Committee members need only to fill out an application and have it
approved, and they too can serve as "multiples", the REAL name for "dual
registration" or "dual hatting".
Until they do this, they are NOT legal.
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