Re: Young Eagles and Award wear
Settummanque, the blackeagle (waltoml@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU)
Mon, 6 Feb 1995 08:18:19 CDT
>In the '70s, the knot was legit for the boys to wear, and was listed in the
>Boy Scout Handbook. When the decision to allow youth to wear the knot was
>reversed, it also seemed to vanish from the Handbook. This has been a pet
>peeve of mine for several years, now, with no suitable outlet AFAIK.
It was NEVER "legit". The illustration was in the Handbook ONLY for
the illustration and comparison between Eagle Award (the medal) and
the Eagle knot (for adult wear only). The first Insignia Control
Guide (in 1973) stated that the Eagle knot was for "adult wear, field
uniform, above left pocket seam" and there *was* a silly wearing
sequence (which by the way, left as quickly as it was created, the
>>What *has* went back and forth (and presently forth) is the status of
>>wearing the Eagle Scout Palms on the square knot. ...
>Ok, Mike - how about the boys' wearing the palms on the badges - that is
>another action which smacks of opening a Waffle House :/
*heheheheehe* Waffle House? *laughter*. Okay. Right NOW, the Eagle
Palms can NOT be worn on the Eagle Badge. I would wish that SOMEONE
there at National would get all of this straight and stop flipping
around with all of us.... Up until last year, the Eagle Palms could be
worn on the Eagle Badge. I was *told* that this was an oversight and
would be corrected with the fall publications in 1994. But all of my
1994 publications don't mention that it can be worn and the Insignia
Guide only states that it can be worn on the knot and Medal.
So at this point, I can only say "wear it on the badge and if someone
asks "is it legal?", simply state that "since adults can wear it on
the Knot, and all Eagles can wear them on the Medal ribbon, it makes
sense to wear them on the cloth badge, right?" and let it go at that.
>I would agree that the youth rank badges should not be won by an adult
>leader. However, IMHBCO, the adult wearing his eagle _Award_ (read _medal_)
>for formal occasions is OK.
That's right, and I would not support it but *highly recommend this*.
>AFA knot education is concerned: that is something that can and should be
>done by all leaders as a part of some short "scouting lore" training. AAMOF,
>this is something that should be covered in adult leader training sessions,
>as well. It's amazing how few leaders know the meaning of the morecommon
>knots, let alone the rare ones for distinctive recognition.
>While you are at it, you may want to point out those rare knots, such as the
>Heroism Awards and Hornaday Award, and what those knots look like. The
>recipients are rare birds indeed, and the boys knowing what those knots look
>like may help them get a better insight into the wearers' histories.
Or spur them to earn the award themselves in the case of the Hornaday
>Mike, I'm surprised you didn't mention that if the adult is in a "formal"
>Scouting occasion, e.g., National Courts of honor, Eagle Courts, Courts of
>Honor on the unit level, certain district or council events, etc., he has
>every right to wear his Eagle _medal_ on either his uniform or his suit
>jacket, depending on what he is wearing.
You're right, Randy....I forgot. This is correct.
>If memory serves me right, there is a knot display poster that is also
>available from your friendly neighborhood Council office, or they can get it
The display posters are for COUNCIL use, supposely....I've been trying
without success in getting one (two actually) from three local
Councils and in their "supply books", it states that the Scout
Executive (or his designee) must "approve purchase", which tells me
that this is supposed to be a training device for adult training
courses or something. If someone out there can get me two posters or
point me in the direction of two posters, I would *really appreciate
(the National supply line also says that the item is "unavailable" and
one operator was silly enough to suggest that I get the merit badge
Thanks for adding to my posting, Randy! Glad you liked the wedding
information (I was afraid that due to the lenght of BOTH postings,
that I would get more negative response than positive ones).
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