Re: First Aid Training
Bob Condon (rec@EPOCH.COM)
Mon, 6 Feb 1995 11:37:19 -0500
> On February 22, I'm going to give a presentation to the Council Health
> and Safety committee regarding the need (and opportunity) for adequate
> first aid training opportunities for Circle Ten's leaders. Shortly
> thereafter, I will be talking with the National office about the same
> topic. I'd like to gather some comments from our group about the following:
> If you were offered a specialized first aid class, would you be interested?
The USGSA REQUIRES that all leaders take basic first aid. I am in agreement
with this policy but it has a direct impact on :
- Time a volunteer has..
- Thge cost of Volunteering. Any course is not cheap/
> Would you be interested in taking the Red Cross's Emergency Response
> (45hrs.) class for certification (This is a very complete advanced first
> aid class offering the equivavlent of ECA training, and includes CPR for
> the Professional Rescuer).
I believe that there should be ONE LEADER who has this qualification
but I do not believe that most leaders would take this unless
it was a requirement. By making it a requirement, many will not
become leaders. It is a catch 22.
> Would you be more likely to take a less advanced 20hr course (Standard
> First Aid w/CPR for adults)?
The less advanced course is quite good and I recommend each leader
to take it especially if you have no first aid knowledge.
> Would you like to see the BSA work with the Red Cross to come up with a
> program specfically targeting Scout Leaders, and the activities (often
> far from 911) they so frequently engage in?
I think that this is one location. A second location is with any National Ski
Patrol organization within your area. ALL ski areas either have a professional
patrol which are paid patrollers -OR- they have a volunteer ski patrol
which is represented by the National Ski Patrol.
The NSP is an educational organization that may be able to provide training.
The Ski Patroller (I am one) requires the Winter Emergency Course (WEC) certification
which includes first aid, transportation, CPR and Oxygen treatment. The WEC course
is equivilent to Red Cross Basic, Red Cross Advanced, CPR Professional rescue (2 person
CPR as oppose to Communityt which is 1 person CPR), plus a winter environment
component which is how cold, weather and exposure complicates all the above.
We have the approximate training of an EMT with a couple of items subtracted like
HAZE pants for major bleeds (car accidents), but the subtracts are pretty minor.
In our area, the ski patrol donate LOTS of time to teach CPR to Jr high/High school
Approach the NSP and they may help you with professional training.
They can also provide extensive mountaneering and avelanch training also
> Do you think such training should be promoted heavily by BSA? Why?
> Do you feel prepared to teach the principles of first aid as described in
> the Tenderfoot-First Class program, and if so, do you have any credential?
I am and our Eagle scouts are..I am not sure about the rest.
> Are you comfortable with the current approach of the BSA?
If the person training is trained , then yes.
> Are you aware of the laws and your personal liability as regards training
> young people, and applying first aid to stranger-victims?
> Consider the following before answering.
> Most adult leaders in Scouting have no formal first aid training, yet are
> expected to train young people in basic first aid skills.
> Of those who have received training, a large number are hopelessly out of
> date (as in Army training, etc.)
> There may be some issue as to the liability incurred by training (and
> signing off) young people when you yourself have little or no training,
> and no teaching credential.
There are issues and BSA should make them known. NSP sends out
quarterly advisories on legal responsibilities and liability
issues. BSA just doesn't state anything. [If you ignore it,
then it will go away??]
> As Scout leaders, you often take your charges many hours from the nearest
> professional care-givers, like 911 service, hospitals, etc.
> Do you routinely carry a first aid kit? Is it complete? What guideline
> did you use?
We used to carry a "box" first aid kit but do not anymore.
We went to a soft package first aid kit which we built which
contains alot of stuff but, in my opinion, not enough.
I also carry my own patrol pack when I go out on ski trips, class trips,
and scouting events. It gives me everything I would need to handle
any situation including air ways, flexible splints, to the minor
problems of a VERY good pair of tweezers, EMT scissors, anti-biotic etc.
My kit weighs 3-4 pounds and is in a belt form but I keep it
with me on every campout and it gets used on 80% of them.
> Are you prepared?
> Please quote this message, and send the answers back to me E-mail.
> Please include the word "Fist Aid" in your subject line. I sure appreciate
> your help.
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