Young Eagles and Award wear
Sat, 4 Feb 1995 21:40:50 -0500
This stuff was a couple of days old, but I wanted to share my thoughts,
On Mon, 30 Jan 1995 07:47:02 -0600 Russel Madere <rmadere@GEOLOGY.UNO.EDU>
>... young (14 & 15 yo) Eagles were the exception, not the rule. These 14 &
15 year old Eagles were
>exceptional Scouts... And, as a rule, they were also sons of Scoutmasters.
>want to belittle thier acomplishment, but they were driven by an outside
>influence, thier fathers!...
Boy oh boy, I remember when my father was my Scoutmaster. Did I receive
preferential treatment! I got it harder than the other boys in the Troop
just so they all knew I was _not_ getting preferential treatment!
I knew the Scoutcraft skills as good or betterer than the rest of the boys.
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>Like I said before, these Scouts were driven to excell by thier fathers.
>Unfortunately, these same Eagles left the Scouting program at 16 because
>was nothing more to do....
They should stay with the program in the form of an explorer post, if working
in the troop is not their bag. Then there is the OA to act as a diversion.
>My concern with young Eagles is that they will not remain involved in
>after they receive thier Eagle and not pass thier knowledge to the other
This is where the adult leadership needs to disctreetly step in and give the
young Eagle Scouts some directed guidance in diverting their energies into
passing on their knowledge to younger Scouts. Someone did that with me, and
I stayed in the program until after college.
Subj: Square knots
On Mon, 30 Jan 1995 11:56:08 CDT "Settummanque, the blackeagle"
>Bob Everson <everson@PM.ADDL.PURDUE.EDU> writes:
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>The Eagle Scout square knot, Bob, is a rope composed of red, white and
>blue strands. It's NOT a secret, and it has ALWAYS been appropriate
>wear for volunteers AND professionals whom are holders of the Eagle
In the '70s, the knot was legit for the boys to wear, and was listed in the
Boy Scout Handbook. When the decision to allow youth to wear the knot was
reversed, it also seemed to vanish from the Handbook. This has been a pet
peeve of mine for several years, now, with no suitable outlet AFAIK.
>What *has* went back and forth (and presently forth) is the status of
>wearing the Eagle Scout Palms on the square knot. ...
Ok, Mike - how about the boys' wearing the palms on the badges - that is
another action which smacks of opening a Waffle House :/
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I would agree that the youth rank badges should not be won by an adult
leader. However, IMHBCO, the adult wearing his eagle _Award_ (read _medal_)
for formal occasions is OK.
AFA knot education is concerned: that is something that can and should be
done by all leaders as a part of some short "scouting lore" training. AAMOF,
this is something that should be covered in adult leader training sessions,
as well. It's amazing how few leaders know the meaning of the morecommon
knots, let alone the rare ones for distinctive recognition.
While you are at it, you may want to point out those rare knots, such as the
Heroism Awards and Hornaday Award, and what those knots look like. The
recipients are rare birds indeed, and the boys knowing what those knots look
like may help them get a better insight into the wearers' histories.
>>? The boys
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>The knot, the medal and the embrodered patch are *all* the SAME award.
>Since there's several versions of the youth patch and only ONE of the
>medal and knot, it makes more sense for adults to wear the more
>"universal" of all of the symbols, leaving the kids to wearing the
>more "outward" symbols, the medal and and the patch.
Mike, I'm surprised you didn't mention that if the adult is in a "formal"
Scouting occasion, e.g., National Courts of honor, Eagle Courts, Courts of
Honor on the unit level, certain district or council events, etc., he has
every right to wear his Eagle _medal_ on either his uniform or his suit
jacket, depending on what he is wearing.
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If memory serves me right, there is a knot display poster that is also
available from your friendly neighborhood Council office, or they can get it
>And always, its appropriate for you to include in Eagle presentation
>kits a square knot. Some kits have them, others don't.
<sig block deleted - we all know where you live, Mike ;D>
Randy Spradling - BTW, Mike, loved your story on your wedding!
Sukeu Woapalonne (the "other" Black Eagle on this list)
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