Re: Council List (Secrecy)
Jesse E. Cross, III (JCROSS@BEOWULF.MHSL.UAB.EDU)
Thu, 2 Feb 1995 16:19:09 CST
"The Blackeagle" writes:
>Such directories exists for the PRIVATE information-collection and
>sharing between "divisions" and "local offices" to talk with the
>national staff and offices.
>John, the information is out there for you to get and use with your
>Den. However, it is NOT "a right for you" as a volunteer to have
>universal access to the complete list. It is not a right for me as a
If the people who are doing the work don't have this right, then who
>former professional to have the list. It is not a right for those
>that have the listings to sell them to patch collection publishers for
>whatever reason. ...
>There *are* people out there, both former pros and present
>volunteers, that have sold or given directories to private companies
>to publish or use.
This is unethical behavior. Firm and swift action by the BSA against
the culprit is the answer. The BSA has chosen to punish everyone,
not just the culprit. A very *BAD* business decision.
>It is, because of the larger implications of the release of this
>information would cause. What if, for instance, John, someone here
>had a listing of those individuals identified as "undesirables" by the
>BSA and therefore not entitled to membership? Do we post that
>listing here, since "nothing should be kept secret from us
>volunteers in the movement?"
Now you're changing the subject. Information about people is not the
same as the names and addresses of councils. Don't try to destroy a
valid point by loading it with absurdity garbage.
>And what keeps us from "keeping what we see or hear
>secret?" Professionals have the Scout Executive Code and the
>possibility of being either sued or removed from the movement
>alltogther or both. Do we all sign "clearance documents" now, similar
>to how military personnel sign documents upon leaving active duty or
>a "secure site"?
See previous about unethical behavior.
>Can I as a registered Scouter sell the list to someone else whom is
>NOT a registered Scouter? Can I sell it or give it away to someone
>whom is in competition with the BSA? Can I use it for my own personal
>telemarketing business (if I had one) and call up each and every local
>Council with a prerecorded message for the Scout Executive? Can I
>give or provide the listing to an organization like NAMBLA and let
>them do their own "outings" using it?
Absurdity again. If you don't have a valid argument, don't post
This is like a company who had a salesman who sold their customer
list. Now they won't give their customer list to their salesmen
because of what one salesman did. Result: the salesmen don't sell
anything and the company goes out of business.
>And HOW do I tell who's registered and who's not? A card? Cards are
>misleading because as we all know, there's a lag time between
>registration and receipt of a membership card, some times lasting over
>months (some Scouters don't EVEN get a current year's card!). A phone
>line? Who's to say that someone on the other end is whom they are
>supposed to be?
BSA obviously needs some controls. But not total disassociation
from its volunteers who do 90% of the work.
>It's not as cut and dried as you indicate, John.
No it's not. It's also not as bad as the BSA hardliners what
everyone to believe!
/s/ Jesse E. Cross, III
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